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OpenStudy (anonymous):
prove that, for all nonzero a, and b
(a * b)^x = a^x * b^xprove that, for all nonzero a, and b
(a * b)^x = a^x * b^x@Mathematics
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
(ab)^x = e^(xln(ab)) =e^(xln(a)+xlnb) =e^(xln(a))*e^(xln(b)) = a^x * b^x
OpenStudy (anonymous):
(ab)^x = (ab)(ab)...(ab) , rearrange the a's, and b's
OpenStudy (anonymous):
that proof works.
OpenStudy (anonymous):
(ab)^x = (ab)(ab)(ab)...= (aaa...)(bbb...)
OpenStudy (anonymous):
but this only works for positive integer x, so xavier's proof is better
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
but using his proof would mean that I have to know what ln means.
OpenStudy (anonymous):
ln is the inverse of e^x
OpenStudy (anonymous):
Yeah. Some properties of logs are used and the fact that e^(a+b)=e^a*e^b
OpenStudy (anonymous):
ok, well then , how can you show that (ab)^(1/3) = (a)^1/3 * b^(1/3)
OpenStudy (anonymous):
xavier, youre proof also works for irrational numbers like pi
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
:):):):):):)
OpenStudy (anonymous):
i love pi
OpenStudy (anonymous):
It assumes a lot though. Pecan pi :)
OpenStudy (anonymous):
it assumes things like least upper bound property , but thats fine because real numbers have completeness property
OpenStudy (anonymous):
agdg, are you doing this for a class?
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
yes
OpenStudy (anonymous):
we define number as the equivalence class of sets which are 1-1 correspondance with it
OpenStudy (zarkon):
a=-1,b=-1,x=1/2
OpenStudy (anonymous):
\[(ab)^x = ((ab)^1)^x = (a^1b^1)^x = a^x * b^x\]meh my proof is lame... but I'm getting there :-(
OpenStudy (anonymous):
that doesnt follow
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OpenStudy (zarkon):
it is hard to prove something that isn't true...you need to put more restrictions on a and b. see my example
OpenStudy (anonymous):
right
OpenStudy (anonymous):
In step 2 to 3 of your proof you used what you are trying to prove
OpenStudy (anonymous):
(ab)^x = e^(xln(ab)) =e^(xln(a)+xlnb) =e^(xln(a))*e^(xln(b)) = a^x * b^x,
so a>0 , b>0 here, otherwise it does not work
OpenStudy (anonymous):
because ln a is not define for a <=0
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
I can already prove that \[(ab)^{-1} = a^{-1}b^{-1}\]
OpenStudy (anonymous):
yeah thats easy
OpenStudy (anonymous):
i have an interesting question
what is
-8^(2/3)
OpenStudy (anonymous):
it is -4
OpenStudy (anonymous):
4?
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
-4
OpenStudy (anonymous):
order of operations i think
OpenStudy (anonymous):
I learned that exponentiation takes precedence over unary minus the hard way :(
OpenStudy (anonymous):
heres another zinger
OpenStudy (anonymous):
(-8)^(4/2)
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
64
OpenStudy (anonymous):
:)
OpenStudy (anonymous):
if we do it as
[(-8)^(1/2)]^4 that is not defined
OpenStudy (anonymous):
but ((-8)^4)^(1/2) is defined
OpenStudy (anonymous):
if you allow complex numbers it comes out the same though.
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
Do parenthesis first?
OpenStudy (anonymous):
oh nice
OpenStudy (anonymous):
:( won't anyone prove for me that (ab)^x = a^x * b^x ? :(
OpenStudy (anonymous):
\[[(-8)^{\frac{1}{2}}]^4=[i\sqrt{8}]^4=i^4\cdot 64=64\]
OpenStudy (anonymous):
I already did
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
but you said it won't work for x in (-1, 0) U (0, 1)
OpenStudy (anonymous):
(ab)^x = (ab)(ab)...(ab) x times
rearrange by commutativity of numbers
(aa....a)(bb...b) where each of them are x times
a^x*b^x
OpenStudy (anonymous):
lets just change my question to include for all positive reals x, use Xavier's proof, and call it a day?
OpenStudy (anonymous):
actually it does, for instance
(ab)^.3 = (ab)^(3/10) = [(ab)^3]^(1/10)
OpenStudy (anonymous):
so it works for decimals
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
it just doesnt work for irrationals. no proof will unless you use least upperbound property
OpenStudy (anonymous):
but how do we find (a^3 * b^3)^0.1 ?
OpenStudy (anonymous):
and show that it is equal to a^0.3 * b^0.3
OpenStudy (anonymous):
(a^3 * b^3)^0.1 = (a^3 * b^3)^(1/10) = [(a^3 * b^3)^1]^(1/10)
OpenStudy (anonymous):
lol
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
:):):):)
OpenStudy (anonymous):
I will borrow my professor's answer book and see the one-liner answer for myself :-D
OpenStudy (anonymous):
so we have to find fractions in general
(ab)^(1/c) = a^(1/c)*b^(1/c) , prove that
OpenStudy (anonymous):
but thats easy , 1/c = c^-1
OpenStudy (anonymous):
ok i got it
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
yay
OpenStudy (anonymous):
(a^3 * b^3)^0.1 = (a^3*b^3) ^(10^-1) = [(a^3 * b^3)^10]^-1
OpenStudy (anonymous):
mistake there.
OpenStudy (anonymous):
(a^3 * b^3)^0.1
(a^3*b^3)^1/10
= (a^3*b^3) ^(10^-1)
[(a^3 * b^3)^10]^-1
[a^30 *b^30]^-1
OpenStudy (anonymous):
10^-1 is not equal to 10*-1
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
1/10 = 10^-1
OpenStudy (anonymous):
true
OpenStudy (anonymous):
but that doesn't mean that a^{10^-1} is equal to (a^{10})^{-1}
OpenStudy (anonymous):
(a^3 * b^3)^0.1
(a^3*b^3)^1/10
= (a^3*b^3) ^(10^-1)
[(a^3 * b^3)^10]^-1
[a^30 *b^30]^-1
1/[a^30*b^30]
1/a^30 * 1/b^30
a^-30 * b^-30
OpenStudy (anonymous):
>.<
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
yes it does because you can use the rule (ab)^n = a^n*b^n
OpenStudy (anonymous):
which we proved for n>0 , for n = 0 it is trivial
OpenStudy (anonymous):
0^{-1} is undefined :-P
OpenStudy (anonymous):
:D
OpenStudy (anonymous):
we assumed that a>0, b>0
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
right
OpenStudy (anonymous):
so it works, but theres a few steps
OpenStudy (anonymous):
first we show that (ab)^n = a^n*b^n, for n>0, a>0,b>0 . then we show that
(ab)^(1/n) = a^(1/n)*b^(1/n)
OpenStudy (anonymous):
then we can so that (ab)^(p/q) = ...
OpenStudy (anonymous):
but still, \[a^{\frac{1}{n}} \neq ((a)^n)^{-1}\]
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
i didnt write that
OpenStudy (anonymous):
you idiot, i wrote
OpenStudy (anonymous):
a^(1/n) = [ a^(n)]^-1
OpenStudy (anonymous):
you wrote this: = (a^3*b^3) ^(10^-1) [(a^3 * b^3)^10]^-1
OpenStudy (anonymous):
and it's wrong :-D
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
a^(1/n) = a^ [ n^-1] =
OpenStudy (anonymous):
no thats right, youre an idiot
OpenStudy (anonymous):
lol
OpenStudy (anonymous):
(a^3b^3)^(1/10) = (a^3*b^3) ^(10^-1)= [(a^3 * b^3)^10]^-1
get a flipping clue
OpenStudy (anonymous):
alright, use the fact that \[a^{n^{-1}} = (a^{n})^{-1} \]to find the square root of 2
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
because that's what you essentially wrote
OpenStudy (anonymous):
no i didnt write that, i have a carat you left out
OpenStudy (anonymous):
(a^3*b^3) ^(10^-1)= [(a^3 * b^3)^10]^-1 I didn't leave any carets out
OpenStudy (anonymous):
one sec, brb
OpenStudy (anonymous):
mine is right, yours is wrong
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
nope, you've made an error in one of your statements
OpenStudy (anonymous):
ok exponentiation is not associative, big whoop
OpenStudy (anonymous):
2^(2^3) != (2^2)^3