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satellite73 (satellite73):

let \[x \rightarrow x \in M , A =\{x\}\cup\{x_n: n \geq 1\}\] prove A is closed via \[A^c\] is open let \[x \rightarrow x \in M , A =\{x\}\cup\{x_n: n \geq 1\}\] prove A is closed via \[A^c\] is open @Mathematics

OpenStudy (anonymous):

\[x_n \rightarrow x \in M , A =\{x\}\cup\{x_n: n \geq 1\}\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

use first order logic

OpenStudy (anonymous):

i am trying to show that \[A^c\] is open and it is eluding me

OpenStudy (zarkon):

a set is closed if and only if it contains all of its limit points

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yeah i got this after i thought about it, but i think it is not as simple as "the set contains its limit points"

OpenStudy (anonymous):

i think you show the complement is open and i managed that without much difficulty after i cleaned the cobwebs out of my brain

OpenStudy (zarkon):

A theorem from a book I have (Carothers Real Analysis page 54) \[\text{Given a set } F\text{ in }(M,d),\text{ the following are equivalent:}\] \[\text{(i) }F\text{ is closed; that is, }F^{c}=M\backslash F\text{ is open}\] \[\text{(ii ) }\text{If }B_\epsilon(x)\cap F\neq \emptyset\text{ for every }\epsilon>0,\text{ then }x\in F\] \[\text{(iii) }\text{If a sequence }(x_n)\subset F\text{ converges to some point }x\in M,\text{ then }x\in F\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

actually this is in fact a problem right from carothers

OpenStudy (zarkon):

then use theorem 4.9 ;)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

page 58 # .36

OpenStudy (zarkon):

nice

OpenStudy (anonymous):

but i was told by the questioner that her professor said to show that Ac is open

OpenStudy (zarkon):

that problem is one I have boxed...so a long time ago it was assigned to me ;)

OpenStudy (zarkon):

that's fine show A is closed and this Ac is open as you already stated

OpenStudy (anonymous):

which i did. but i am now confused as to why i cannot use that theorem directly

OpenStudy (anonymous):

oh wait. i think i see why not. part iii says "If a sequence converges to some point x in F then x is in F"

OpenStudy (zarkon):

which is true for your set A

OpenStudy (anonymous):

i have another question. while you have your carothers out

OpenStudy (anonymous):

68 #34 without using sequences (which is what it says to do)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

again she was told not to for some reason, but i though we could say "inverse image of open sets is open" should work for this one

OpenStudy (zarkon):

yes...using the topological def of continuity will work.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

so i could say, since the metric is clearly continuous on M that means inverse image of open sets is open in M, hence in MxM inverse image of open sets is open

OpenStudy (anonymous):

in MxM of course

OpenStudy (zarkon):

yes

OpenStudy (zarkon):

though I prefer the term preimage :)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

preimage fine. thanks!

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