How can you know that every atom is round?
from special equipment like microscopes
Huh.. I didn't actually know that people had seen atoms, cool
You can sort of see atoms, but not exactly. There are very powerful microscopes that can detect the basic shape of an atom, but it's not really seeing it. Atoms are not perfectly round for many reasons. If you want a better feel for the shape of an atom I suggest you start taking chemistry. Focus on learning what is called 'orbital geometry'. You will see that the electrons make interesting paths around the atom, not just loops. use this site and click on 'orbitals' to get an idea what I mean. http://www.ptable.com/
I'll make sure to look into that when i understand quantum mechanics. At least when i have basic knowledge of it.
Chemistry is a good first step to QM, but at least notice the different shapes that the electrons make. This is a result of their wave nature. Good stuff.
I'm pretty sure that electron orbitals and electron placement is totaly theortical, meaning that we cant observe those. You can however with a electron scaning microscope find the neuchlus of an atom. It's been a while since i read on the subject.
It's not as theoretical as you make it sound zbay. If you think that orbital function theory is just a bunch of smoke and mirrors that's rather drastic. It is at least well known that the Bohr atomic model (where the electrons orbit like planets) is very false.
Oh, i actually meant electrons, protons and neutrons separately, not the atom core.
All motion of electrons must take their wave nature into account, and the wave functions of electrons are mathematically understood very well. If your question is about particles like electrons, protons, and neutrons Inopeki, then they are not round at all! they have no shape, and are represented by points mathematically.
you developed quite an interest in physics
Right?
How can matter have no shape? Who developed interest?
Good question, and very difficult to answer. I think someone more qualified should try to explain that.
Is it even matter? How can we be sure that it is when we haven't seen them? This is when it starts getting interesting!
"How can matter have no shape?" or at least no definite shape. That's a topic of quantum mechanics. The question becomes meaningless if you understand the Heisenberg uncertainty relationship you wrote down earlier.
Is there a chart where i can learn the meanings of all the signs in physics, because to be honest i think i dont understand the equations because of that.
signs?
I'm pretty sure there are too many signs in physics to memorize, but if that is your only obstacle to understanding all the equations... well good for you!
you learn it piece by piece. Just get some good books and begin to work through it.
learn classical physics first
Imranmeah, i meant like that triangle in the uncertanty relationship.
that's basic mathematical notation and means "uncertainty in". E.g., \[ \Delta x \] is uncertainty in position.
..and it's the capital Greek letter 'Delta' by the way
Is the uncertanty relationship the one that states that a comparison is useless without knowing how much the comparison can be off by? like if i measure something i need to have +/- 0.1 centimeters if it could be off by so much?
Oh! I see!
Hi. I see you really like physics, so I would recommend "The Feynman Lectures on Physics". Check them out, they are really interesting... :D
I might do that depending on what they are about, im currently watching lewins videos.
Another good Feynman book for you would be '6 Easy Pieces'. When you know all that stuff inside out you can check out the sequel '6 Not So Easy Pieces'
that's honest title
well, "The Feynman Lectures on Physics" are actually 3 books. 1st is "Mainly mechanics, radiation, and heat" 2nd is "Mainly electromagnetism and matter" 3rd "Quantum mechanics"
What are they about, i mean the 12 pieces?
The first one is about mechanics and classical physics. The next delves into relativity and quantum physics a bit. They are very short books and use no calculus, only algebra.
Im sorry, my countrys educational system is pretty much retarded compared to yours, so i must ask, what is calculus?
Well it's ok for an 8th grader not to know. Calculus is a higher mathematics. It's hard to describe quickly, but it has to do with analyzing functions. Rates of change, and the distance covered by an accelerating object, all best found through calculus. It is basically the language of much of physics, but you need to be very comfortable with algebra and trigonometry first.
And what is trigonometry?
basically the mathematics of triangles
And thats an actual subject? What is complicated with triangles?
it's a bit more complicated than triangles. TT was trying to explain it in simple terms for you.
Oh ok, ill have to loom into that too...
turing did u get the answers?
No dude, where are all the other questions? only one I saw was unanswered and I didn't know it.
?it was ther in the doc
:(
What are you talking about?
arvind wanted me to do his homework for him...
Aravind.. That is not cool!
lol
So you didnt do it?
No, didn't find it. Don't want to get caught up in that conversation though. Sorry to get distracted.
Its ok, you couldnt just ignore him. I have a question, why do you write time^2?
what are the units of velocity?
What do you mean? time and speed?
Units of speed or velocity are distance over time. m/s for instance. what about acceleration\[a=\frac{\Delta v}{\Delta t}\] So the units of acceleration should be\[\frac{\frac{m}{s}}{s}=\frac{m}{s}*\frac{1}{s}=\frac{m}{s^2}\]
Delta was uncertainty right? So what do you mean with the uncertainty in velocity and time? As for the second equation, you mean that it just simplifies it?
here Delta means something a little different than we discussed earlier.
Ah
this time its 'difference in'\[a=\frac{\Delta v}{\Delta t}=\frac{v_f-v_0}{t_f-t_0}\] so if I change my velocity from 0 to 20m/s in a time of 4s, then my acceleration is\[a=\frac{\Delta v}{\Delta t}=\frac{v_f-v_0}{t_f-t_0}=\frac{20-0}{4-0}=5m/s^2\] That's a change in velocity of 5 meters per second per second - or meters per second squared.
Im confused. How do i know when it means uncertainty? I first heard that it was change.
Ill take that back for now, ill read your comment first
For you it almost always means difference in - final minus initial of something. Later you will use JamesJ's definition.
I see,but what does that f mean?
final o is initial
oh ok
Now i see! so you only use time^2 in acceleration?
well you'll see its in the units of force as well\[F=ma=\frac{kgm}{s^2}\]So Newtons (the SI unit of force) has units of kilogram-meters-per-second-squared.
that should be written a little differently above, those expressions are not really equal. The thing on the right is just the units.
Newtons i am familiar with, what is a kilogrammeter?
a kilogram times a meter...
Why would that be necessary?
I get it if its times a meter^2 or meter^3 i get it.
Right, that's the process, it's rather abstract if you think about it too much. It is necessary to establish some base units. If the SI units of force were 'gram-feet-per-hour-squared, we would have to convert our answers. It helps scientists stay on the same page.
Yeah, i have another question that may sound stupid but why do americans use feet, ounces, gallons and that unit system instead of the metric system, its so cluttered and unorganised..
Because we are stupid, that is the only answer I have, sorry.
An while were on units, why do scientists use kelvin and rankine?
I see no point in it...
Oh.. I didnt mean to call you stupid..
No, it's very stupid, I'm the one saying it. Kelvin is just like Celsius, but is better to get a feel for what the number means in terms of physics because it is based on Absolute Zero, the temperature at which all atomic motion stops. Never heard of the other thing you mentioned, lol. I gotta go eat now, but it's fun talking about this. Maybe I'll be back later. See ya!
Can someone help me?
as you can see by my post I'm leaving
Thanks for all the help you've given me! rankine is like kelvin but it uses farenheits way of counting.
stupidscience, what do you need help with?
Ànd by the way, medal for the appropriate name for our conversation
i posted a question from my physics homework and nobody is responding and i'm very confused!
I'll look at it and see if i can help.
The momentum of a system before a collision is 2.4 × 103 kilogram meters/second in the x-direction and 3.5 × 103 kilogram meters/second in the y-direction. What is the magnitude of the resultant momentum after the collision if the collision is inelastic?
okay thanks!
Im sorry, i dont think i can help you with that.
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