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OpenStudy (anonymous):

TuringTest, what now?

OpenStudy (saifoo.khan):

Party time! :D

OpenStudy (turingtest):

lol I dunno...

OpenStudy (anonymous):

What can you teach me?

OpenStudy (turingtest):

a lot, there's a fair amount to algebra, but what's the next logical step?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Teach about polynomial.

OpenStudy (turingtest):

I have already to an extent, but where to go next...

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Ratios?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

In maths the fundamentals concepts are limited but the problems are not, so how about practicing what you have already learned?

OpenStudy (turingtest):

That's a good point FFM so lets do simplification that you know, but a little more intense: I think I need to make sure you can simplify bigger things:\[\frac{x^2y^5z}{xy^9z^3}\]

OpenStudy (saifoo.khan):

OpenStudy (turingtest):

awww, you're making me think of my cat in the hospital :(

OpenStudy (anonymous):

How did it go with her?

OpenStudy (turingtest):

broken leg... waiting for an operation

OpenStudy (anonymous):

You beat you cat Turing?!!!

OpenStudy (anonymous):

aww :(

OpenStudy (saifoo.khan):

turing sat on her leg. :(

OpenStudy (turingtest):

she fell off the roof. how pessimistic

OpenStudy (saifoo.khan):

awww, sorry i was jking..

OpenStudy (turingtest):

It's all good :P

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Due to Turing's intense physics stress his cat decided to commit suicide :P

OpenStudy (anonymous):

(x^2)*(y^5)*(z) ------------ = (x)*(y^5/9)*(z^1/3)? (x)*(y^9)*(z^3)

OpenStudy (saifoo.khan):

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Cats are cool.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

why \( y^{5/9} \) ?

OpenStudy (saifoo.khan):

no doubt. ;)

OpenStudy (turingtest):

you have inconsistent rules above inopeki\[\frac{x^a}{x^b}=x^{a-b}\]always...

OpenStudy (anonymous):

http://i.imgur.com/48wOw.jpg

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Oh right

OpenStudy (anonymous):

(x^2)*(y^5)*(z) ------------ = (x)*(y^5-9)*(z^1-3)? (x)*(y^9)*(z^3)

OpenStudy (turingtest):

yes, simplify...

OpenStudy (saifoo.khan):

OpenStudy (anonymous):

(x)*(y^5-9)*(z^1-3)=(x)*(y^-4)*(z^-2)?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

http://i.imgur.com/6uzXf.jpg

OpenStudy (saifoo.khan):

cute^

OpenStudy (turingtest):

yes, do you know another way to write\[x^{-a}\]???

OpenStudy (anonymous):

No

OpenStudy (anonymous):

http://i.imgur.com/eqTIb.jpg

OpenStudy (turingtest):

\[x^{-a}=\frac{1}{x^a}\]so it's probably nicer to rewrite your expression with all positive exponents in this way.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Oh right, all negative exponents make the "total number" divided by one.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Btw who can explain why x^0 = 1?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

(x)*(1/y^4)*(1/z^2)

OpenStudy (turingtest):

Oh dear... I have my answers about x^0=1 (not true for x=0), but I'm sure FFM would not approve of them :/ @inopeki, yes now rewrite it as 1 fraction...

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Turing that's a very important yet fundamental question.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

another one is why \( (a^b)^c = a^{bc} \) ?

OpenStudy (turingtest):

well I have a very simple proof of it and I can show why it is not true for x=0 what more do I need in your opinion?

OpenStudy (turingtest):

the last rule is easier to explain, perhaps I should...

OpenStudy (anonymous):

(x)*(1/y^4)*(1/z^2) (x)*(1/y^4*z^2)?

OpenStudy (turingtest):

yes, now write it as a fraction what goes on the bottom? what goes on the top?

OpenStudy (turingtest):

@FFMactually that's not so easy to explain now that I think about it.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Can you explain the second rule intuitively?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

1 x* -------- y^4*z^2

OpenStudy (turingtest):

no, I was thinking more of how easy it is to show x^ax^b=x^(a+b) intuitively, the other is tricky to me.

OpenStudy (turingtest):

@ inopeki you can put the x on top, it means the same thing and looks nicer

OpenStudy (anonymous):

x*1 -------- y^4*z^2

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Can we say that all power function obeys the functional equation \( f(x)f(y)= f(x+y) \)?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Whats that f?

OpenStudy (turingtest):

@Inopeki yes, no need to write the 1 though @FFM, I'd have to think about that :/

OpenStudy (turingtest):

unspecified functions he's asking how far the rule about exponents can be extended..

OpenStudy (anonymous):

x -------- Oh right y^4*z^2

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Actually we can't but I believe that is true for exponential functions though.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Umm, ok?

OpenStudy (turingtest):

it must be for simple ones\[2^x2^y=2^{x+y}\]of course

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Tha's whats Inopeki is using right ?

OpenStudy (turingtest):

basically Inopeki do you see the connection between what you are doing and the rule for multiplying exponents like\[x^ax^b\]?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Yeah, but does that mean that it becomes x -------- ? yz^6

OpenStudy (turingtest):

no because y and z are different bases notice the rule above had both base x.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

YEah but then i dont see the connection..

OpenStudy (turingtest):

just that dividing and multiplying are inverse operations x^a=x*x*x*...*x (a times) x^b=x*x*x*...*x (b times) so if we have a=3 b=2 we get x^a --- x^b x*x*x =-----= x x*x which is x^(a-b) if we have (x^a)(x^b) we get (x*x*x)(x*x)=x*x*x*x*x=x^(a+b) so the rules for exponents here come directly from their definitions. You can count the x and see that this relationship holds.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I know about that, like x^2*x^8=x^10

OpenStudy (anonymous):

x^10/x^5=x^5

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Basic

OpenStudy (turingtest):

right, I want you to see how that and the rule for division are inverses of each other for a reason...

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Turing you have a heck of patience :D

OpenStudy (turingtest):

eh it's easy FFM, doesn't require too much concentration. good practice too I learn by teaching ;) ok factor \[3x^3y^3+6xy+9x^2y\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

:-)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

The GCF of 3,6,9 is 3 The GCF of x,x^2,x^3 is x The GCF of y,y^2,y^3 is y 3xy(3x^3*y^3/3xy)+3xy(6xy/3xy)+3xy(9x^2*y/3xy) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Middle step, right?

OpenStudy (turingtest):

yes exactly

OpenStudy (anonymous):

3xy(3x^3*y^3/3xy)+3xy(6xy/3xy)+3xy(9x^2*y/3xy)=3xy(x^2*y^2+2+3x)?

OpenStudy (turingtest):

yep :) great!

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Really? :D

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Note to Inopeki: Turing is a great resource, learn new things from him and practice as much as you can on your own :-)

OpenStudy (turingtest):

Yes I've stressed the importance of studying on your own as well and yes Inopeki really, FFM would have noticed a mistake I'm sure ok quick, foil (a-b)(a+b)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

When hes not here i try to go on purplemath and khan :)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

a^2+ab-ba-b^2

OpenStudy (turingtest):

simplify

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Books books books!! online learning has it's own limitation :-)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

a^2-b^2?

OpenStudy (akshay_budhkar):

it doesnt @ffm i disagree

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Foolformath, im having trouble finding books here in sweden

OpenStudy (turingtest):

and what is the name of that form? remember?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

The fundamental theorem of algebra? Or want that the one with the multiplex?

OpenStudy (turingtest):

Multiplex? no I think you're thinking of 'multiplicity' but this is the 'difference of squares' \[a^2-b^2=(a-b)(a+b)\]

OpenStudy (akshay_budhkar):

with ocw.mit , khan, purple math and openstudy and people like turing there is no limit to online education ^

OpenStudy (turingtest):

Thanks but you get what you put in, I think is true with all this stuff.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Oh right

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