Need help with the following questions:
1) If f(x)=x^4-14x^3+72X^2+9x-10 find the largest interval on which f(x) is concave downward. If we write the interval as (a,b), then a=___ and b=___ 2) If g(x)=x^4-12x^3+30x^2+9x-3 find the largest interval on which g(x) is concave upward. If we write the interval as (-infinity, a) U (b, infinity), then a=___ and b=___ 3) If f(x)=xe^6x find the largest interval on which f(x) is concave upward. If we write the interval as (a, infinity), then a=___
do i take the derivative of each twice to get these answers?
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someone help? i dont understand this stuff completely yet
You would take the second derivative twice, and find the zeros to determine where it switches concavity.
Then plug in values in the different intervals you get to find if the concavity is positive or negative in that interval.
show me the work for one? i get the gist of it, just wanna make sure
Let's take the first one then. You have\[f(x)=x^4-14x^3+72x^2+9x-10\]so\[f'(x)=4x^3-42x^2+144x+9\]\[f''(x)=12x^2-84x+144=12(x^2-7x+12)\]Now you set that equal to zero, and you get\[0=12(x^2-7x+12)=(x-3)(x-4)\]So you have zeros at \(x=3\), \(x=4\).
Finally, plug in some number for \(x\) that is less than three, one that is between 3 and 4, and one that is greater than 4, and check which one(s) are negative. In this case, only the one between 3 and 4 is negative, so that must be greatest interval on which \(f(x)\) is concave downward.
what happened to the 12 up there. did you divide by 12 on both sides?
Yup.
so the answer would be like 3.5
You want an interval, not a single number, so your interval should be \((3, 4)\). Be careful that it doesn't include \(3\) or \(4\), since the concavity is zero there.
o yeah duh. i wasnt thinking straight.
when we plug the numbers less, in between, and greater than, we plug them in the original function, correct?
Not if you want to find the concavity. You would want to plug them into the second derivative.
o ok
i know prob 3 is similar but could u help me with that as well...
3) If f(x)=xe^6x find the largest interval on which f(x) is concave upward. If we write the interval as (a, infinity), then a=___
First we need to find the second derivative. Using the product rule and chain rule\[f(x)=xe^{6x}\]\[f'(x)=6xe^{6x} + e^{6x}=e^{6x}(6x+1)\]\[f''(x)=6e^{6x}+36xe^{6x}\]Now you find the zeros.
So\[0=6e^{6x}+36xe^{6x}=e^{6x}+6xe^{6x}=e^{6x}(1+6x)\] since \(e^{6x}\) is never 0, the only zero is at \(1+6x=0 \to x=-1/6\)
so whats the final answer im confused
calc is so complex :(
That's where the concavity switches. So if we plug in \(x=0\), we have that the concavity is upward from \((-1/6, \infty)\)
i put that as my answer and it said it was wrong
u sure u did it right?
im confused by some of ur work above ^^^
You have to notice that the question is calling for a single value \(a\), not an interval. Since it gives you the interval as \((a, \infty)\), your answer should be \(a=-1/6\).
i know. it wont accept that
I think I did the second derivative wrong. It should actually be\[f''(x)=12e^{6x}(3x+1)\]
So \(a=-1/3\) instead.
ok thats its. can u rewrite it all correctly?
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Give me a minute.
sure
\[f(x)=xe^{6x}\]\[f'(x)=6 xe^{6x} +e^{6x} = e^{6x}(6x+1)\]\[f''(x)=6 e^{6x} (6 x+1)+6 e^{6x}=12e^{6x}(3x+1)\]Since \(12e^{6x}\) is never zero, we know that \((3x+1)=0\) So \(x=-1/3\).
THANKS
You're welcome. Sorry it took so long.
its fine. been doing other problems while waiting.
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