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jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):
You need to find two numbers that multiply to 3 and add to 12
jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):
oops meant -12
OpenStudy (anonymous):
-1, 0 ??
jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):
No
OpenStudy (anonymous):
-3, -6?
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jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):
No, (-3)*(-6) = 18, but we want 3
OpenStudy (anonymous):
1,-3
jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):
closer, but 1*(-3) = -3, and we want positive 3
OpenStudy (anonymous):
1 and 3?
jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):
better, but there's a problem, does 1 and 3 add to -12?
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
no
jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):
so it's not 1 and 3. The same can be said about -1 and -3
OpenStudy (anonymous):
-4 and -3?
jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):
no because -4 times -3 is NOT 3
jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):
we've basically run out of options because the only factors of 3 are 1 and 3
so because we've exhausted everything and still haven't found the two numbers, this means that x^2-12x+3 can't be factored
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
hmmm I have to solve this equation (x-4) squared equals 2x squared minus 4x+19
OpenStudy (anonymous):
correct, kind of like 0 lol
OpenStudy (anonymous):
and solve for x
jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):
what do you get when you expand out (x-4)^2
OpenStudy (anonymous):
x squared + 16
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
is that right?
jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):
close, but there should be a middle x term
OpenStudy (anonymous):
x squared -4x+16?
OpenStudy (anonymous):
I get stuck on the middle x term when I'm expanding
jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):
Complete steps and answer for expanding (x-4)^2:
(x-4)^2 = (x-4)(x-4)
(x-4)^2 = x(x-4)-4(x-4)
(x-4)^2 = x*x+x*(-4)-4*x-4*(-4)
(x-4)^2 = x^2 - 4x - 4x + 16
(x-4)^2 = x^2 - 8x + 16
So (x-4)^2 expands out to x^2 - 8x + 16
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jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):
So
(x-4)^2 = 2x^2 - 4x+1
turns into
x^2 - 8x + 16 = 2x^2 - 4x + 1
jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):
Let me know if that helps or not.
OpenStudy (anonymous):
ya that helped. so now the equation would be 2x^2 - 4x - 8x+16+19?
jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):
well if it were an equation, there'd be an equal sign somewhere...not sure where you placed yours in that last expression.
OpenStudy (anonymous):
oh it's 0 equals that equation
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
so now I just need to factor that equation, so I can solve for x
jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):
You should have
x^2 - 8x + 16 = 2x^2 - 4x+19
0 = 2x^2 - 4x+19 - x^2 + 8x - 16
0 = x^2 + 4x + 3
OpenStudy (anonymous):
so then x is -1 and -3
jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):
you nailed it
OpenStudy (anonymous):
thanks so much for your help
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jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):
you're welcome
OpenStudy (anonymous):
could you check if I did this right? I have (v+5)^2 which needs to be expanded. I got v^2+50x+25
OpenStudy (anonymous):
and if I didn't could you explain what I did wrong?
jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):
you have the middle term incorrect
jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):
try thinking of (v+5)^2 as (v+5)(v+5)
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jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):
then expanding that to get v(v+5)+5(v+5)
OpenStudy (anonymous):
would the middle term be 10v?
jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):
bingo
OpenStudy (anonymous):
so now I have to factor out 0 equals 2v^2 + 14v+29+10v+25
jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):
so combine like terms on the right side, what do you get when you do that?
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
2v^2+24v+54
OpenStudy (anonymous):
the gcf is 6 I believe
jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):
no, 6 does not go into 2v^2
OpenStudy (anonymous):
then is it 2?
jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):
yes
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jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):
factor out 2 to get???
OpenStudy (anonymous):
so I have (v+4) (2v+)
jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):
if you factor out a 2, you'll go from 2v^2+24v+54 to 2(v^2+12v+27)
jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):
so you can focus on factoring v^2+12v+27
OpenStudy (anonymous):
(v+9)(v+3)
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jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):
good, so the complete factorization is 2(v+9)(v+3)
OpenStudy (anonymous):
that didn't work...when I entered the answers, it came out wrong
jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):
what was the original problem
OpenStudy (anonymous):
(v+5)^2=2v^2+14v+29
jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):
oh i see where you went wrong, you somehow added 10v to 14v when you should have subtracted 10v from 14v
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
ohhh
jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):
same with 29+25, it should be 29-25
OpenStudy (anonymous):
which makes -4v
OpenStudy (anonymous):
so now I have 2v^2-4v+4
jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):
the stumbling block you're dealing with is taking v^2+10v+25=2v^2+14v+29 and converting it into 0 = v^2 + 4v + 4
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
ya
jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):
this is where your mistake occurred
jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):
the key is to get everything to one side
jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):
to do that, we subtract v^2 from both sides, then we subtract 10v from both sides, finally we subtract 25 from both sides
OpenStudy (anonymous):
ok
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jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):
why all those subtractions? I did all that to make the left side equal to 0
OpenStudy (anonymous):
so now I have to factor out v^2-4v+4
jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):
more like v^2+4v+4 since 14v-10v = 4v
OpenStudy (anonymous):
I see what I did wrong
jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):
that's great
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
would (w-1)^2 be expanded as w^2 +2w+2?
jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):
close, it should be w^2-2w+1
jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):
(w-1)^2 = (w-1)(w-1) = w(w-1) - 1(w-1)
OpenStudy (anonymous):
my online math program logged out and now it changed my problem. I now have to expand (w+6)^2, and expanding that got me x^2+36w+36
jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):
the middle term is off
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
I don't know why expanding is so hard for me
jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):
(w+6)^2 = (w+6)(w+6)
OpenStudy (anonymous):
is the middle term 12w?
jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):
yes
OpenStudy (anonymous):
I just solved the problem
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jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):
that's great, glad you're getting the hang of this