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OpenStudy (kainui):

Where does e come from? I need a good explanation, I know that it's its own derivative, the limit as n approaches infinity of (1+1/n)^n but that doesn't tell me much about what that means.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

@inkyvoyd explain him in a simpler way!! u r good in that!

OpenStudy (inkyvoyd):

Well

OpenStudy (inkyvoyd):

There was this one dude named Bernoulli.

OpenStudy (inkyvoyd):

From a large family of people named Bernoulli.

OpenStudy (inkyvoyd):

This guy was experimenting with something.

OpenStudy (inkyvoyd):

Wikipedia explains well. "An account starts with $1.00 and pays 100 percent interest per year. If the interest is credited once, at the end of the year, the value of the account at year-end will be $2.00. What happens if the interest is computed and credited more frequently during the year?"

OpenStudy (inkyvoyd):

Let's say, every 6 months it is computed.

OpenStudy (inkyvoyd):

then, after the first 6 months, you get 1.5 dollars (50% interest twice), and after the second 6 months, you get 1.5*1.5=2.25

OpenStudy (inkyvoyd):

What if interest is compounded every 3 months?

OpenStudy (inkyvoyd):

then, we have 1.00$*1.25*1.25*1.25*1.25

OpenStudy (inkyvoyd):

or, 1*1.25^4

OpenStudy (inkyvoyd):

or, simply 1.25^4

OpenStudy (inkyvoyd):

Now, the question is, what happens when we try to take the interest rate daily, every minute, every second, every (shorter period of time)? Now how bout time ->0?

OpenStudy (inkyvoyd):

We get (1+1/n)^n as n-> infinity, or e.

OpenStudy (inkyvoyd):

@Kainui , the significance of this was that Bernoulli here tried to compute this limit, and found it very difficult.

OpenStudy (inkyvoyd):

There are many other uses of e, and many places it turns up. Ican give you some examples.

OpenStudy (inkyvoyd):

Ever heard of e^(ipi)+1=0?

OpenStudy (inkyvoyd):

Useful equation in complex analysis.

OpenStudy (zzr0ck3r):

god gave it to us:) this is the only thing I can come up with, and I dont believe in god

OpenStudy (inkyvoyd):

If you understand derivatives of trig functions, I can prove it.

OpenStudy (inkyvoyd):

and, btw, your question is the equivalent to "where does pi come from?"

OpenStudy (inkyvoyd):

Sure, you might answer with "a circle"

OpenStudy (zzr0ck3r):

the oven

OpenStudy (inkyvoyd):

but one could answer the question about e similarly, with "exponential growth"

OpenStudy (inkyvoyd):

trolol, @zzr0ck3r

OpenStudy (zzr0ck3r):

e is much cooler than pi imo

OpenStudy (inkyvoyd):

i is much cooler than both imo.

OpenStudy (inkyvoyd):

No pun intended.

OpenStudy (zzr0ck3r):

i is not real

OpenStudy (inkyvoyd):

@Kainui who went offline, hopefully you understand.

OpenStudy (inkyvoyd):

You aren't?

OpenStudy (zzr0ck3r):

:)

OpenStudy (zzr0ck3r):

you cant really think i is cooler than e?

OpenStudy (inkyvoyd):

i *am* cooler than e.

OpenStudy (zzr0ck3r):

how do i unfan someone...jk

OpenStudy (inkyvoyd):

and really, i and e are so related I can't think one is cooler than the other

OpenStudy (zzr0ck3r):

im in dif eq right now so e rules my life:)

OpenStudy (inkyvoyd):

Well, I'll be in complex analysis in like 5 years, and they will both rule my life.

OpenStudy (inkyvoyd):

Not that they don't.

OpenStudy (zzr0ck3r):

5 years? what are you in now?

OpenStudy (inkyvoyd):

Well, I haven't *formally* taken trig.

OpenStudy (inkyvoyd):

:S

OpenStudy (zzr0ck3r):

lol, good for you.

OpenStudy (zzr0ck3r):

not sarcastic ^

OpenStudy (inkyvoyd):

Differential equations sound really cool though

OpenStudy (inkyvoyd):

skimmed pauls notes on first order linear ODE solution

OpenStudy (inkyvoyd):

felt like the cubic man

OpenStudy (zzr0ck3r):

its great until you notice most dif eqs have no solutions, so its lots of numeric and qualative stuff...boring i want answers

OpenStudy (inkyvoyd):

Well, all an engineer wants is numbers right?

OpenStudy (inkyvoyd):

But, do you mean, no solutions, or no ways to solve?

OpenStudy (inkyvoyd):

no *known ways

OpenStudy (zzr0ck3r):

nah there are existence theorems

OpenStudy (inkyvoyd):

A lot of it is doing numerical approximations of solvable ones, right?

OpenStudy (zzr0ck3r):

not that I know of, most of them are unsolvable

OpenStudy (zzr0ck3r):

we can get lots of information about the solution, but we cant find it

OpenStudy (zzr0ck3r):

the general solution that is

OpenStudy (inkyvoyd):

is it proved that we can't solve it, or that we just don't know how to?

OpenStudy (inkyvoyd):

Is it the quintic without Bring radicals, or the quartic before the cubic is solved?

OpenStudy (zzr0ck3r):

I just asked the same question today, so there are some we can show that there are no solutions because of proofs that the integral is unsolvable, so im guessing the answer is out there but we dont know how to find it. In other words there is still cool stuff to figure out:)

OpenStudy (inkyvoyd):

Exactly.

OpenStudy (inkyvoyd):

You know how long it took us to solve the cubic?

OpenStudy (zzr0ck3r):

600 years ish?

OpenStudy (inkyvoyd):

Let's just say we didn't actually "solve it" (casus irreduciblis) until hypergeometric series.

OpenStudy (inkyvoyd):

Also, Euclid, eat that, you can't take the cube root of 2, sucker :D

OpenStudy (zzr0ck3r):

haha

OpenStudy (zzr0ck3r):

shh they might burn you

OpenStudy (inkyvoyd):

lol

OpenStudy (inkyvoyd):

They had enough trouble understanding the square root of two.

OpenStudy (zzr0ck3r):

such an easy proof for that one also, so crazy...

OpenStudy (inkyvoyd):

apparently negative numbers were less accepted than irrational positve ones

OpenStudy (inkyvoyd):

Stupid geometry

OpenStudy (inkyvoyd):

Screwed us over for centuries man

OpenStudy (zzr0ck3r):

then again it took galileo to roll a marble down a tilt .....

OpenStudy (inkyvoyd):

looool

OpenStudy (zzr0ck3r):

they need to make a movie about math history, people have no idea

OpenStudy (inkyvoyd):

There's plenty, just no one wuld ever watch a math documentary about math history

OpenStudy (zzr0ck3r):

im thinking somehitng like the dan brown books, not a docu. A big movie with all the cool math history and then people would get into it

OpenStudy (inkyvoyd):

Dan brown would make a terrible movie about math. He doesn't believe in imaginary numbers

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Napier, logarithms.....

OpenStudy (kainui):

of course, why didn't I see it before?

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