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OpenStudy (anonymous):

Help! Picture attached. Showing working out thanks. I need help with Q1.b and 2 from the document and Q4,5 and 7 from the picture

OpenStudy (anonymous):

OpenStudy (anonymous):

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

so where should I start?

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

I did #10, #13 and #15 on another post, did you see it?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

with the worded questions in the document one

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yepyep. thanks.

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

so start with Q1 a)?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

well i did 1.a but I'm having trouble with 1.b

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

alright, are you comfortable with calculus?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

some of it I believe.

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

how about derivatives?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

nope.

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

alright, just thought I'd throw that out there

OpenStudy (anonymous):

well i haven't learnt it yet and all i know in regards to it is dy/dx

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

alright one sec while I think of an alternative

OpenStudy (anonymous):

kk thanks.

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

oh after plotting it, it turns out that there's some nice symmetry going on that I didn't think about The figure is symmetrical with respect to the y-axis. So we can reflect y = sqrt(15)*x over the y axis to get y = sqrt(15)*x y = sqrt(15)*(-x) ... reflect over the y-axis by replacing 'x' with '-x' y = -sqrt(15)*x So the only other equation that is tangent to the circle and that passes through (0,0) is y = -sqrt(15)*x

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

where to next?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

um i still don't quite get how your working out.

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

I simply replaced x with -x and simplified

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

I'm able to do this because the figure is symmetrical with respect to the y-axis (ie you can fold the circle over the y-axis and it will line up perfectly)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

kk but how does y = sqrt(15)*(-x) turn into y = -sqrt(15)*x?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

oh wait u just times right?

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

yes, I'm just using the commutativity of multiplication (ie I'm moving around that negative 1)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

kk

OpenStudy (anonymous):

can u help me with question 2 on the same document?

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

2 a)? 2 b)? or some other part?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

2.b), 2.c.iii) and 2d onwards.

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

2 b) domain = set of all real numbers but x can't equal -2 (to avoid dividing by zero) range = set of all real numbers but y can't equal 3 (this is the horizontal asymptote)

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

2 c) i) y = 1/(x+2) + 3 y = 1/(8+2) + 3 y = 1/10 + 3 y = 31/10 So y = 31/10 when x = 8 ii) y = 1/(x+2) + 3 8 = 1/(x+2) + 3 8-3 = 1/(x+2) 5 = 1/(x+2) 5(x+2) = 1 x+2 = 1/5 x = 1/5-2 x = -9/5 So x = -9/5 when y = 8 iii) The right side edge of piece one is 8 - 31/10 = 49/10 = 4.9 units The top edge is 8+9/5 = 49/5 = 9.8 units So the total of the straight edges is 4.9+9.8 = 14.7 units

OpenStudy (anonymous):

sorry if i didn't say it clearly b4 but u only had to do c.iii)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

out of the c part

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

2 d) To reflect over the line y = x, you basically swap x and y. Then you solve for y First simplify y = 1/(x+2) + 3 y = 1/(x+2) + 3(x+2)/(x+2) y = 1/(x+2) + (3x+6)/(x+2) y = (1+3x+6)/(x+2) y = (3x+7)/(x+2) Then swap x and y and then solve for y y = (3x+7)/(x+2) x = (3y+7)/(y+2) x(y+2) = 3y+7 xy+2x = 3y+7 xy+2x-3y= 7 xy-3y= -2x+7 y(x-3)= -2x+7 y= (-2x+7)/(x-3) So after reflecting y = (3x+7)/(x+2) over the line y = x, we get y= (-2x+7)/(x-3)

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

for 2 e), you just want part iii only?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

sorry i dced because the internet screwed up.

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

thats ok, so do you need all of 2 e)?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yes thanks

OpenStudy (anonymous):

well I think ur d is wrong cause i have solutions.

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

what solutions do you have?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

OpenStudy (anonymous):

i didn't write the solution btw

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

hmm guess they don't want you to solve for y, so the answer is just x = 1/(y+2) + 3

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

i guess that simplifies things greatly

OpenStudy (anonymous):

the answer is y= 1/x-3 -2

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

oh so they wanted to solve for y, alright one sec

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yeh. could u explain what it means by "reflecting the edges of the pieces in Diagram One in the line y=x"? and "Find the equation which defines the curves in this differently configured puzzle?" I'm still confused.

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

2 d) To reflect any curve over y = x, you just swap x and y. Afterwards you solve for y (this is basically finding the inverse) y = 1/(x+2) + 3 y = 1/(x+2) + 3(x+2)/(x+2) y = 1/(x+2) + (3x+6)/(x+2) y = (1+3x+6)/(x+2) y = (3x+7)/(x+2) Then swap x and y and then solve for y y = (3x+7)/(x+2) x = (3y+7)/(y+2) x(y+2) = 3y+7 xy+2x = 3y+7 xy+2x-3y= 7 xy-3y= -2x+7 y(x-3)= -2x+7 y= (-2x+7)/(x-3) Now simplify y= (-2x+7)/(x-3) y= (-2x+6+1)/(x-3) y= (-2(x-3)+1)/(x-3) y= 1/(x-3) - 2(x-3)/(x-3) y= 1/(x-3) - 2

OpenStudy (anonymous):

wow so many steps, i think it's better to follow the solution steps for d since it's less steps.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

they swapped x and y at the very start

OpenStudy (anonymous):

and just rearranged.

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

alright, so why did I do that one exactly?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

i wanted to understand it properly and see if you had a better way to do it.

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

oh, i see

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

I'll finish up with 2 e) then I have to get going

OpenStudy (anonymous):

kk, thanks.

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

2e) i y-intercept --- plug in x = 0 and solve for y y = -50/((x+10)^2) - 4 y = -50/((0+10)^2) - 4 y = -50/((10)^2) - 4 y = -50/(100) - 4 y = -1/2 - 4 y = -9/2 So the y-intercept is (0, -9/2) ii Plug in x = 8 and evaluate to find y y = -50/((x+10)^2) - 4 y = -50/((8+10)^2) - 4 y = -50/((18)^2) - 4 y = -50/(324) - 4 y = -25/162 - 4 y = -673/162 So when x = 8, the value of y is y = -673/162 iii Plug in y = -8 and then solve for x y = -50/((x+10)^2) - 4 -8 = -50/((x+10)^2) - 4 -8+4 = -50/((x+10)^2) -4 = -50/((x+10)^2) -1/4 = -((x+10)^2)/50 50/4 = (x+10)^2 25/2 = (x+10)^2 (x+10)^2 = 25/2 x+10 = sqrt(25/2) or x+10 = -sqrt(25/2) x+10 = (5/2)*sqrt(2) or x+10 = -(5/2)*sqrt(2) x+10 = (5/2)*sqrt(2) or x+10 = -(5/2)*sqrt(2) x = -10+(5/2)*sqrt(2) or x = -10-(5/2)*sqrt(2) So when y = -8, the values of x are x = -10+(5/2)*sqrt(2) or x = -10-(5/2)*sqrt(2)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

ok so basically it's just substituting and solving. for part e.

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

that's exactly right

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

sqrt(25/2) sqrt(25)/sqrt(2) 5/sqrt(2) (5/sqrt(2))*(sqrt(2)/sqrt(2)) (5*sqrt(2))/(sqrt(2)*sqrt(2)) (5*sqrt(2))/(sqrt(2*2)) (5*sqrt(2))/(sqrt(4)) (5*sqrt(2))/2 (5/2)*sqrt(2) So sqrt(25/2) = (5/2)*sqrt(2) So that's where the sqrt(2) comes from

OpenStudy (anonymous):

oh okay so u times top and bottom by sqrt 2 to get rid of the sqrt2 denominator.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

that's wat u were doing.

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

yes, i'm rationalizing the denominator

OpenStudy (anonymous):

i thought u could just leave it as 5 over sqrt2

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

you can, but most books will rationalize the denominator

OpenStudy (anonymous):

kk understood. thanks

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

that's great, you're welcome

OpenStudy (anonymous):

ok I'm going to close this post and create a new one.

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

alright

OpenStudy (anonymous):

by any chance can u still access the posts that u closed?

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

i think so? I'm not too sure

OpenStudy (anonymous):

kk thanks anyway.

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

alright

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