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OpenStudy (anonymous):

In http://openstudy.com/study#/updates/4fcb99aee4b0c6963ad51730 @asnaseer showed that every element of the sequence\[ a_{0}=1,\; a_{1}=2,\; a_{2}=24,\; a_{n}=\frac{ 6a_{n-1}^{2}a_{n-3}-8a_{n-1}a_{n-2}^{2}}{a_{n-2}a_{n-3}}. \] is an integer. Show now that every n divides \(a_n\)

OpenStudy (asnaseer):

I believe I also showed that every \(a_n\) is divisible by \(a_{n-1}\) and hence every \(a_n\) is divisible by all \(a_m\) m=n-1,n-2,...,1

OpenStudy (asnaseer):

I don't know if that helps here?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Since you were able to create a linear recurrence:\[r_n=6r_{n-1}-8r_{n-2}\]\[r_1 = 2,r_2=12\]we should solve it.

OpenStudy (asnaseer):

what do you mean by "solve it" joemath?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Coming up with a closed formula, not a recursive one.

OpenStudy (asnaseer):

is there a way of transforming this into an expression for \(r_n\) in terms of n?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yes, using linear algebra, i'll post the short version.

OpenStudy (asnaseer):

BTW: @eliassaab with all these interesting properties, does this sequence have any particular significance?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

\[r_n-6r_{n-1}+8r_{n-2}=0\]has the characteristic equation:\[r^2-6r+8=0\Longrightarrow (r-2)(r-4)=0\Longrightarrow r=2,r=4\]So a closed formula for rn would be of the form:\[r_n=c_12^n+c_24^n\]now we use the initial conditions to see what the constants are.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

@asnaseer, I do not think it does.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

\[1=2c_1+4c_2\]\[12=4c_1+16c_2\]This system tells us that:\[c_1=-1,c_2=1\]So the closed formula for r_n is:\[r_n=4^n-2^n\]Now maybe we can figure out a closed formula for a_n using this.

OpenStudy (asnaseer):

would it be:\[a_n=(4^n-2^n)(4^{n-1}-2^{n-1})...(4-2)\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yeah, it seems that:\[r_nr_{n-1}r_{n-2}\ldots r_1=\frac{a_n}{a_{n-1}}\cdot \frac{a_{n-1}}{a_{n-2}}\cdots \frac{a_1}{a_0}=a_n\]

OpenStudy (asnaseer):

which simplifies to:\[a_n=2^n*2^{n-1}*2^{n-2}*...*2(2^n-1)(2^{n-1}-1)...(2-1)\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Maybe now that we have a closed formula for a_n, we should proceed by induction? or try to show we can factor an n out of that expression.

OpenStudy (asnaseer):

\[a_n=\prod_{k=1}^{n}2^k*\prod_{k=1}^{n}(2^k-1)\]

OpenStudy (asnaseer):

wolframs solution to this does not seem to factor out an n :( http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=product+%282^k%29%282^k-1%29+k%3D1+to+n

OpenStudy (asnaseer):

so maybe it needs induction as you suggested joemath?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

maybe modular arithmetic? for example, if n was a prime, say p, then the term:\[4^{p-1}-2^{p-1}\]would be divisible by p, which can be shown using Fermat's Little Theorem. Since one of the terms of that product is divisible by p, the whole thing would be divisible by p.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

The induction was turning up bust =/

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I'll think about this more while im eating dinner lol. Im thinking modular arithmetic is the way to go. If we can show that for any prime to a power, if:\[p^k\mid n\Longrightarrow p^k\mid a_n\]i believe we would be done.

OpenStudy (asnaseer):

this looks too much like number theory to me - which (unfortunately) is beyond my grasp at the moment. but I look forward to the result :)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

@asnaseer with \[ a_n=2^n*2^{n-1}*2^{n-2}*...*2(2^n-1)(2^{n-1}-1)...(2-1) \] You can use Euler totient Theorem whics says that If a and n is coprime, then \[ a^{\phi(n)} \equiv 1\text{ ( mod n) } \]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

@joemath314159, you argument of using Fermat's Little Theorem is a step in the right direction, you need Euler totient theorem which is a generalization of Fermat's Little Theorem

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Here is how you finish the problem. Case 1, n is odd, then n is coprime with 2 so n divides \( 2^{\phi(n)} -1 \) which is one of the factors \[ (2^n-1)(2^{n-1}-1)...(2-1) \] so n divides a_n

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Case2. If n is even the \(n=2^k\,b\), with k<n and b is odd. Now \( 2^k \) is one of the factors \[2^n*2^{n-1}*2^{n-2}*...*2\] and b is coprime with 2 so b divides one the factors \[ (2^n-1)(2^{n-1}-1)...(2-1)\] by case 1. Now, we can deduce that n divides \( a_n\)

OpenStudy (asnaseer):

I won't even pretend to understand this proof :) A bit beyond my capabilities I'm afraid :(

OpenStudy (anonymous):

You know what \( \phi (n) \) is?

OpenStudy (asnaseer):

afraid not

OpenStudy (anonymous):

It is the number of integers m less than n and such the GCD(m,n)=1. \[ \phi(5) = 4 \\ \phi ( 6)=2\\ \phi (10) =4 \\ \phi(p) = p-1 \text { if } p \text { is a prime} \]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

If we take 10, the numbers m less than 10 that have GCD(m,10)=1 aew 1,3,7,9

OpenStudy (asnaseer):

ok - in case 1, I understand n is coprime with 2, but I then don't understand why this implies: n divides \(2^{\phi(n)} -1\)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

That is where we are using Euler totient theorem

OpenStudy (asnaseer):

Oh I see - so this is the result of some theorem? in this case the Euler Totient Theorem?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Yes, this theorem is a generalizatio of Fermat's Little Theorem since \[\phi(p)=p-1 \] if p is a prime.

OpenStudy (asnaseer):

ok - I am beginning to understand a bit more now. Thanks for taking the time to explain this to me - much appreciated! :)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yw But, you did the most important part of this proble which is to factorize \(a_n\). What is your background in math?

OpenStudy (asnaseer):

I always loved studying maths so I keep up with it as a hobby. I am actually a qualified aeronautical engineer but now work as a software engineer :)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Interesting and nice meeting you.

OpenStudy (asnaseer):

and you too - thanks again

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