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mathslover (mathslover):

Hi friends here is the tutorial on Introduction to complex numbers

mathslover (mathslover):

the general form of a complex number is a + bi ... let me first give u the description of iota ( i ) : Have you ever thought about \(\sqrt{-1} , \sqrt{-2} \) ? These are refferred to as : Imaginary numbers that is who can only be imagined and who dont exist : \[\huge{\sqrt{-1}=i}\] iota has the value \(\sqrt{-1}\) Complex numbers representation : Complex numbers are represented by Z general form of Z = (a+bi) Addition of complex numbers : let a complex number \(Z_1 = a+bi \) and \(Z_2 = c+d i\) \[\large{Z_1+Z_2 = a+bi + c+di = (a+c)+(bi+di) = (a+c)+i(b+c)}\] Note : Real part of a complex number Z is represented by : Re(z) and imaginary part of Z is represented by Im(z) hence we can say that \(Z_1+Z_2=(Re(z_1)+Re(z_2))+i(Im(z_1)+Im(z_2))\) Subtraction Of complex numbers : let us take \(Z_1=a+bi\) and \(Z_2=c+di\) as two complex numbers : \[\large{Z_1-Z_2=(a+bi)-(c+di)}\] \[\large{Z_1-Z_2=(a-c)+i(b-d)}\] we can write it as \[\large{Z_1-Z_2=(Re(Z_1)-Re(Z_2))+i(Im(Z_1)-Im(Z_2))}\] Multiplication of complex numbers : we are taking same complex numbers here also : \[\large{Z_1*Z_2=(a+bi)(c+di)}\] \[\large{Z_1*Z_2=ac+adi+bci+bdi^2}\] \[\large{Z_1*Z_2=(ac-bd)+i(ad+bc)}\] You must have having one question here how did i write \(bdi^2=-bd\) since \(i=\sqrt{-1}\) therefore we can say that \(i^2=(\sqrt{-1})^2\) \(i^2=-1\) hence \(\large{bdi^2=bd(-1)=-bd}\) Divison of complex numbers \[\large{\frac{Z_1}{Z_2}=\frac{(a+bi)}{(c+di)}}\] \[\large{\frac{Z_1}{Z_2}=\frac{(a+bi)(c-di)}{(c+di)(c-di)}}\] \[\large{\frac{Z_1}{Z_2}=\frac{(ac-adi+bci-bdi^2)}{(c^2-di^2)}}\] \[\large{\frac{Z_1}{Z_2}=\frac{(ac+bd)-i(ad-bc)}{c^2+d^2}}\]

mathslover (mathslover):

Hope this helps u all .. i will post some advanced level of complex numbers tutorial soon

OpenStudy (shubhamsrg):

i really love complex nos. really ..so,,a good job done :)

OpenStudy (callisto):

Can I ask a question?

mathslover (mathslover):

yes ask

OpenStudy (callisto):

Anyway, I asked :P Why is it like this: sqrt{-25} x sqrt{-4} ≠ sqrt{-25 x -4} ≠ sqrt{100} ≠ 10

mathslover (mathslover):

5i * 2i = 10i^2= - 10 remember ... \(\sqrt{a}*\sqrt{b}=\sqrt{ab}\) is only true for some cases \[i* \sqrt{a}*i*\sqrt{b}=i^2\sqrt{ab}=-1\sqrt{ab}\]

OpenStudy (callisto):

Yes I understand that. But why can't we do in that way....

mathslover (mathslover):

u can not apply that formula here ... this can only be possible when a and b are +ve or only 1 either a and b are negative. .

OpenStudy (callisto):

And that's the question - why?

mathslover (mathslover):

let me ask u this question to ask u this 1 : n+1/n+2=0 find n +1=0 , n =-1 ? right ?

OpenStudy (callisto):

Yes

mathslover (mathslover):

wait .... in that question \[\sqrt{100}=\pm10\]

mathslover (mathslover):

got it now ?

OpenStudy (callisto):

Hmm... not really... why that + one doesn't work is the question.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

um... wait... \(\large \sqrt{100}=10 \) \(\large -\sqrt{100}=-10 \)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Just a minor point: Typically lowercase \(z\) is used, not uppercase.

mathslover (mathslover):

sorry @Limitless @Callisto what is i * i ?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

@mathslover, it's no problem. I just wanted to point that out--it's not a big deal at all. :P

mathslover (mathslover):

thanks @Limitless btw how is the tutorial ?

OpenStudy (callisto):

I know how to solve it. I'm asking why we can't multiply the - and - to make a positive.

OpenStudy (callisto):

If I turn it into i, I can solve it.

mathslover (mathslover):

\(\sqrt{-1}*\sqrt{-1}=\sqrt{-1*-1}=\pm\sqrt{1}=\pm1\) + does not satisfy that equation as \((\sqrt{-1})^2=-1\)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

really nice..........well done!

mathslover (mathslover):

hence we have to think about the condition about that ....

mathslover (mathslover):

thanks @nitz

OpenStudy (callisto):

And that's the problem why it doesn't satisfy when it is the ''correct'' way to do it?

mathslover (mathslover):

as i said we have to just think about it practically ..

OpenStudy (callisto):

No. Shouldn't we understand the basic concept? Anyone can have a chance to fall into this trap.

mathslover (mathslover):

yes ..

mathslover (mathslover):

http://www.jimloy.com/algebra/two.htm will this make any sense ?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

"Imaginary numbers that is who can only be imagined and who dont exist" Imaginary numbers exist just as much as real numbers. \(i\) technically has two values, \(\sqrt{-1}\) and \(-\sqrt{-1}.\) (This is deduced from \(i^2=-1.\)) The real parts and imaginary parts are formally denoted \(\Re(z)\) and \(\Im(z)\). Typically one expresses the division of two complex numbers as a sum of fractions as follows: \[\frac{z_1}{z_2}=\frac{ac+bd}{c^2+d^2}+i\frac{bc-ad}{c^2+d^2}.\]

OpenStudy (callisto):

@mathslover How does it related to my question?

OpenStudy (callisto):

*relate

mathslover (mathslover):

mathematics fallacies.. isn't that a fallacy that we are talking abt

OpenStudy (anonymous):

@Callisto, \[\sqrt{a}\sqrt{b}=\sqrt{ab} \Leftrightarrow a,b \ge 0\] That is why your method does not work.

mathslover (mathslover):

that i what i said yupii

OpenStudy (callisto):

............... So, everyone is just telling me that it must be positive but not explaining why

OpenStudy (anonymous):

hate to spam but i need help

mathslover (mathslover):

but i asked u why is i^2=-1 and not 1 do u have any answer ?

mathslover (mathslover):

@yeababy np ask

OpenStudy (callisto):

okay it's -1 and then?

mathslover (mathslover):

why it is not 1

OpenStudy (campbell_st):

so is i^4 = 1

OpenStudy (callisto):

I told you when I just make it into i form, then it's not a question to me anymore. But the first time I solved this question, I forgot to change it into i form and I got that wrong

OpenStudy (callisto):

\[\sqrt{-1} \ ^2 = -1\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Campbell: Yes. Callisto: The trick where you multiply radicands only technically works for positive numbers.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

To be honest, \(\sqrt{a}\sqrt{b}=\sqrt{ab} \Leftrightarrow a,b \ge 0\) is a definition, I think. It's the definition because negatives impose the wrong result. For example, let \(a\) be negative and \(b\) be negative. Following this identity, we have \(\sqrt{a}\sqrt{b}=\sqrt{ab}=\sqrt{|a||b|}\). However, \(\sqrt{a}\sqrt{b}=\sqrt{-|a|}\sqrt{-|b|}=i\sqrt{|a|}i\sqrt{|b}=i^2\sqrt{|a|}\sqrt{|b}=-\sqrt{|a|}\sqrt{|b|}\) Notice that \(-\sqrt{|a|}\sqrt{|b}\ne \sqrt{|a||b|}\) for any \(a,b \in \mathbb{R}.\)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Correction: \[-\sqrt{|a|}\sqrt{|b|}\ne \sqrt{|a||b|}\]

mathslover (mathslover):

well i think the tutorial that i wanted to show may be not attract as bcz of this disccusion jk :)

OpenStudy (callisto):

Well, it's just a problem I encountered on OS. I know how to get the right answer but don't understand why that was wrong. It's also weird for me that we see a wrong result, so we exclude it and call it as a definition. Honestly, it rather looks like a condition for me. I'm really sorry if the question raised makes your post dull.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Callisto: You must be clear about what context you are working in. You are used to working in the real numbers. In the real numbers, \(\sqrt{-4}\times\sqrt{-25}\) is undefined, because the square root operation is not defined for negative numbers. In the complex numbers, that expression is defined, and it simplifies to -10.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

@nbouscal, I was also thinking of that perspective. I wasn't sure if we could argue the point from a field theory perspective.

OpenStudy (callisto):

Yes, obviously, I've forgotten the basic.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

You are just using a trick that you learned that you can use, when in fact that trick does not always work. It is like learning to take a derivative by using certain tricks, and then not recognizing that in some cases the tricks don't work because the derivative doesn't exist.

OpenStudy (callisto):

Thanks! @Limitless and @nbouscal

OpenStudy (anonymous):

You're welcome, @Callisto!

OpenStudy (unklerhaukus):

Top post @all i think the problem with the square roots has something to do with |dw:1340195552555:dw|

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