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OpenStudy (konradzuse):

Find the definite integral

OpenStudy (konradzuse):

\[\int\limits_{0}^{12} \frac{8x}{\sqrt{x^2+25}} dx\]

OpenStudy (konradzuse):

hmm....

OpenStudy (turingtest):

trig sub is the first thing that comes to mind

OpenStudy (konradzuse):

I was thinking of tan, but that doesn't work in this case tho?

OpenStudy (konradzuse):

I do remember there were 3 additional ones for cot, csc, and cos but we didn't do those.

OpenStudy (konradzuse):

sin is a-u

OpenStudy (turingtest):

you usually use tan when you have + under the radical

OpenStudy (konradzuse):

no radical :(

OpenStudy (konradzuse):

tan is just a+u with no sqrt().

OpenStudy (turingtest):

?

OpenStudy (turingtest):

are you saying you miss-typed the Q ?

OpenStudy (turingtest):

the common trig sub forms are as follows:\[\sqrt{a^2x^2+b^2}\implies x=\frac ba\tan u\]\[\sqrt{a^2x^2-b^2}\implies x=\frac ba\sec u\]\[\sqrt{b^2-a^2x}\implies x=\frac ba\sin u\]

OpenStudy (turingtest):

wait a minute, I'm over-thinking u=x^2+25 is all you need here

OpenStudy (konradzuse):

hmm

OpenStudy (konradzuse):

in my book it just says \[\frac{du}{u^2+a^2} is \arctan\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Yes you only need an u substitution in here \[u = x^2+25\] and therefore \[\frac{du}{dx}= 2x \rightarrow 4\frac{du}{dx}=8x\]

OpenStudy (konradzuse):

where does that 4 come from?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I multiply it times 4 to match it with the numerator.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

then I can substitute that entire stuff into the numerator.

OpenStudy (konradzuse):

oh okay... so it's \[4\int\limits \frac{du}{\sqrt{u}} ?\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I am left with: \[4\int\limits_{}^{}\frac{1}{\sqrt{u}} du\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

perfect

OpenStudy (konradzuse):

Makes sense... I always am learning cool new tricks :P.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

It's "magic" !

OpenStudy (konradzuse):

so now I can do the integration which would be \[4 * \frac{1}{2\sqrt{u}} +c?\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yes that is the answer

OpenStudy (konradzuse):

or \[ \frac{2}{\sqrt{u}} +c?\]

OpenStudy (konradzuse):

\[ \frac{2}{\sqrt{x^2+25}} +c?\]

OpenStudy (konradzuse):

ah poo it's a definite integral okay...

OpenStudy (konradzuse):

\[[\frac{2}{\sqrt{12^2+25}} ] - [\frac{2}{\sqrt{0+25}} ]\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

wait wait wait. you are going too fast, remember 4/2 = 2

OpenStudy (konradzuse):

\[[\frac{2}{\sqrt{49}} ] - [\frac{2}{\sqrt{25}} ]\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

somewhere we are going wrong here (x

OpenStudy (konradzuse):

I already did 4/2...?

OpenStudy (turingtest):

I think you guys did the integral wrong

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yes Turing is right

OpenStudy (konradzuse):

maybe I thought of the derivative of a sqrt?

OpenStudy (turingtest):

moving too fast lol

OpenStudy (anonymous):

it should be \[\frac{1}{2}\sqrt{u}\]

OpenStudy (konradzuse):

which is what I did...

OpenStudy (anonymous):

that one step where your square term ended up in the denominator, that was wrong, I said yes to that, my fault.

OpenStudy (konradzuse):

then we multiplied by 4.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

no, for you it's in the enumerator.

OpenStudy (konradzuse):

oh woops.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yes as I said, my bad, it looked so right to me, because it's a natural derivative, but not the integral hehe.

OpenStudy (konradzuse):

yeah I confused them :P

OpenStudy (konradzuse):

\[2{\sqrt{49}} ] - [2\sqrt{25} ]\]

OpenStudy (konradzuse):

\[[2*7 ] - [2 * 5]\]

OpenStudy (konradzuse):

14-10 = 4

OpenStudy (anonymous):

at least these are nice numbers, always a good indication hehe.

OpenStudy (konradzuse):

:)

OpenStudy (konradzuse):

actually I think I'm wrong again...

OpenStudy (konradzuse):

since it should be 4*2

OpenStudy (konradzuse):

8*7 -8*5 = 56-40 = 16?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

let me write it down, I have only followed via screen so far, never works well for me obviously (-;

OpenStudy (konradzuse):

:p

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yes you are right 4* 2sqrt(u) = 8 sqrt(u)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

the good thing is, now we have made all the possible mistakes that should be avoided in an exam in just one single exercise (-:

OpenStudy (konradzuse):

and I messed up again it seems...

OpenStudy (konradzuse):

12^2 = 144

OpenStudy (konradzuse):

sqrt169 = 13

OpenStudy (anonymous):

but our integral is right, I just checked with WolframAlpha: \[8\sqrt{x^2+25}\] so the rest will be F(a)-F(b) without making careless mistakes (-:

OpenStudy (konradzuse):

8 * 13 = 104 - 40 = 64

OpenStudy (anonymous):

which are the endpoints again? from ? to ?

OpenStudy (konradzuse):

0-12

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yes 64

OpenStudy (konradzuse):

:)

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