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OpenStudy (anonymous):

find the points of intersection

OpenStudy (dumbcow):

set them equal, then solve for sin(theta) , then take inverse sin to get angle

OpenStudy (dumbcow):

correct

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Okay. Do you knkow how i would set up an integral to find the area of their intersection?

OpenStudy (dumbcow):

hmm not great at integrating polar equations...lets ask someone else @Hero @UnkleRhaukus @jim_thompson5910

OpenStudy (dumbcow):

my instinct says it will be \[\int\limits_{\pi/6}^{5\pi/6}2\sin \theta - (3/2-\sin \theta) d \theta\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Actually I think both of our answers are incorrect I am not sure. Hopefully we will hear from someone else

OpenStudy (dumbcow):

but i think the rules for polar equations are different...oh yeah there should be a 1/2 in there somewhere sorry :{

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Its alright thanks for the help on the first bit

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I need help setting up the integral I will try to solve it from there

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

here's a good page on polar integration http://tutorial.math.lamar.edu/Classes/CalcII/PolarArea.aspx

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

oops made a typo Use the formula \[\Large A = \int_{a}^{b} \frac{1}{2}r^2 d\theta \] In this case, you want to find the difference of the two areas to find the area of the region between the two polar graphs, so this means \[\Large A = \int_{a}^{b} \frac{1}{2}\left(\left(r_{2}\right)^2 - \left(r_{1}\right)^2 \right)d\theta \]

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

that's one of the correct steps to get to your answer

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Now I would finish out the integral and that would be the area?

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

yes

OpenStudy (anonymous):

So I don't have to multiply by 2 or anything ?

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

what do you mean

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Ive seen some questions where they change the bounds from -pi/2 to pi/2 to something like 0 to pi/2 times 2

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

oh, they're probably taking advantage of symmetry

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

if you know the top half area, and the figure is symmetrical along the x-axis, then the bottom half is the same ---> total area = 2*(top area)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

So this would be symmetrical too

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Sorry It would not

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

yes, you could go from one intersection to pi/2

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

you don't have to though

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Would i just take the derivative which would be 2 cos theta and plug in pi/6

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

when theta = pi/6, r is r = 2*sin(theta) r = 2*sin(pi/6) r = 2*(1/2) r = 1 So we have r = 1 and theta = pi/6 Now use the formulas x = r*cos(theta) and y = r*sin(theta) to find x and y, this will convert the point (r,theta) to the cartesian point (x,y) ----------------------------------- Now convert r = 2*sin(theta) to rectangular form Use the equations x^2 + y^2 = r^2 and y = r*sin(theta) r = 2*sin(theta) r*r = r*2*sin(theta) r^2 = 2*r*sin(theta) r^2 = 2y x^2 + y^2 = 2y x^2 + y^2 - 2y = 0 x^2 + y^2 - 2y + 1 = 1 x^2 + (y - 1)^2 = 1 So the polar equation r = 2*sin(theta) converts to the rectangular equation x^2 + (y - 1)^2 = 1 Derive that last equation. Then find the slope of the line at the (x,y) point you found previously.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

What is the previous point?

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

Whatever (r,theta) = (1,pi/6) converts to in rectangular (x,y) form

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

yes

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

as the slope?

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

one moment

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

yes I'm getting that as well

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

yw

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