What two numbers whose product is -12 and sum of 9
Hint: ab = -12 a + b = 9
Yes I no that but I can't seem to find the two number
2nd Hint: a = 9 - b
How do you find b
b = -12/a
-21 and 9?
Where'd you get those numbers from?
I did something wrong
I don't no how to do this
Well, that's because you don't know the secret trick.
And that is
ab = -12 a + b = 9 Substitute a into the first equation to get \((9-b)b = -12 \\ -b^2 + 9b = -12 \\ -(b^2 - 9b) = -12 \\ b^2 - 9b = 12 \\ b^2 - 9b - 12 = 0 \)
It's a quadratic equation
Sou solve from there ?
Yes. You might want to try completing the square for this.
\(b^2 - 9b = 12 \)
How do you solve to get the two numbers from here?
Add 81/4 to both sides \(b^2 - 9b + \frac{81}{4} = 12 + \frac{81}{4}\)
How did you get 81/4
you dontt even need to do all that. just make a factor tree for -12 and see what two pairs add to 9
I got 81/4 by dividing the coefficient of the middle term by 2, then squaring it. Simplify the left side into a binomial: \((b - \frac{9}{2})^2 = 12 + \frac{81}{4}\)
Taking the square root of both sides to get \(b - \frac{9}{2} = \sqrt{12 + \frac{81}{4}}\)
Then adding 9/2 to both sides to get: \(b = \sqrt{12 + \frac{81}{4}} + \frac{9}{2}\)
Actually it's supposed to be + or -
\(b = \pm \sqrt{12 + \frac{81}{4}} + \frac{9}{2}\)
Now all we have to do is simplify that
\(b = \pm \sqrt{\frac{48}{4}+ \frac{81}{4}} + \frac{9}{2}\)
\(b = \pm \sqrt{\frac{48 + 81}{4}} + \frac{9}{2}\)
\(b = \pm \sqrt{\frac{129}{4}} + \frac{9}{2}\)
\(b = \pm \frac{\sqrt{129}}{\sqrt{4}} + \frac{9}{2}\)
\(b = \pm \frac{\sqrt{129}}{2} + \frac{9}{2}\)
\(b = \frac{\sqrt{129} + 9}{2}\)
Good luck finding a
Better yet use a = 9 - b to find a
\(a = 9 - \frac{\sqrt{129} + 9}{2}\)
\(a = \frac{18}{2} - \frac{\sqrt{129} + 9}{2}\)
@Hero ab = -12 a + b = 9 \[\large{\color{blue}{(a+b)^2=81}}\] \[\large{\color{red}{a^2+b^2+2ab=81}}\] \[\large{\color{magenta}{a^2+b^2+2(-12)=81}}\] \[\large{\color{brown}{a^2+b^2=81+24}}\] \[\large{\color{green}{a^2+b^2=105}}\] \[\large{\color{orange}{a^2-b^2=\sqrt{(a^2+b^2)^2-4a^2b^2}}}\] \[\large{\color{blue}{a^2-b^2=\sqrt{(105)^2-(144*4)}}}\] \[\large{\color{brown}{a^2-b^2=102->\textbf{Approx.}}}\] \[\large{\color{blue}{a^2+b^2=105}}\] \[\large{\color{red}{a^2-b^2=102}}\] \[\large{\color{orange}{a^2=105-b^2}}\] \[\large{\color{brown}{\textbf{Put this value of a^2 in the second equation of a^2-b^2}}}\] \[\large{\color{red}{105-b^2-b^2=102}}\] \[\large{\color{orange}{-2b^2=-207}}\] \[\large{\color{magenta}{b^2=\frac{-207}{-2}}}\] \[\large{\color{blue}{b=\sqrt{\frac{207}{2}}}}\] \[\large{\color{green}{b=10.17}}\] \[\large{\color{red}{a=9-10.17=-1.17}}\]
I don't know whether i am right or wrong..
Yeah, but I still have exact vaules
Yes you have them i am just off with .11 for product
Nice colors
thanks... well yes your's one gives b = 10.17 but a is giving something wrong
Well, both a and b can be either positive or negative
but a is something bigger than 12 at least... sorry got to go for school now... if i would not then there will be a stick ready for my body .. :)
given ab = -12 but product of -19.17 and 10.17 is not near to 12
*-12
I know what I did wrong now. \(a = \frac{18 - \sqrt{129} - 9}{2}\)
wow
lol
what is wrong with the quadratic formula?
\(x^2+9x-12=0\) etc
Nothing.
Well...nobody likes using it
You cant use factoring for this?
Therefore, a = \(\large\frac{9 - \sqrt{129}}{2}\) b = \(\large\frac{( 9+ \sqrt{129}}{2}\)
You can use factoring, quadratic formula, or complete the square for any quadratic.
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