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OpenStudy (anonymous):

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OpenStudy (anonymous):

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OpenStudy (anonymous):

I thought it was supposed to be bounded below but that was wrong

OpenStudy (helder_edwin):

\[ \large a_0=\sqrt{2} \] \[ \large a_1=\sqrt{2+a_0}=\sqrt{2+\sqrt{2}} \] \[ \large a_2=\sqrt{2+a_1}=\sqrt{2+\sqrt{2+\sqrt{2}}} \]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Yeah so it gets larger and larger right?

OpenStudy (helder_edwin):

yes

OpenStudy (anonymous):

So can't be bounded above

OpenStudy (helder_edwin):

it is actually bounded below

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I put that down and it was wrong :(

OpenStudy (helder_edwin):

no it cannot be bounded above

OpenStudy (anonymous):

maybe its not bounded at all?

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

i think it is bounded above. im not sure with the defintions though

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Why would it be bounded above?

OpenStudy (helder_edwin):

\[ \large 2+a_0=2+\sqrt{2} \] \[ \large a_1=\sqrt{2+a_0}\leq\sqrt{2}+\sqrt{a_0}<\sqrt{a_0}=\sqrt{\sqrt{2}}=\sqrt[4]{2}<\sqrt{2} \]

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

as k->infiniti, the value of term approaches 2

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I'm still not sure what the right answer would be

OpenStudy (helder_edwin):

so \[ \large a_1\leq a_0 \]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yeah

OpenStudy (helder_edwin):

sorry i gotta go check if \(a_2\leq a_1\) then u will get more information

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

is this correct definition for bounded above : any term in the sequence must be <= upper bound if so, then the sequence is bounded above. because, no term in the sequence can go above the value 2. again im not sure with these definitions, i never did these... .

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Bounds mean it wont pass that number so its kind of like an asymptote

OpenStudy (anonymous):

why cant any term go past 2?

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

okay then it is bounded above : let the the last term of sequence be y, \(y = \sqrt{2+\sqrt{2+\sqrt{2+........ }}}\)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Okay

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

if you solve this, you would get y = 2

OpenStudy (anonymous):

and how do you prove that?

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

that expression can be written as : \(y = \sqrt{2+y}\)

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

square both sides, and solve the quadratic

OpenStudy (anonymous):

how would i write out the series?

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

didnt get u

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I want to plug this in to wolfram to make sure it doesnt go above 2 so how would i do that?

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

oh you wanto plugin the sequence is it

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yeah

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

idk... let me try once though...

OpenStudy (anonymous):

ok

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

no success wid wolfram. but im confident about the last term of the given sequence. it wont cross 2. trust me !

OpenStudy (anonymous):

but how can I prove that?!

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

i have given the proof above. you didnt understand it is it

OpenStudy (anonymous):

i dont think that is proof. i think you have to do a series test.

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

this is a increasing sequence, last term of the sequence : \( y = \sqrt{2+\sqrt{2+\sqrt{2+........ }}} \)

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

oh im not familiar wid those, i thought if we just prove last term of sequence wont go beyond certain value, that is a fair enuf thing to conclude its bounded above

OpenStudy (anonymous):

i dont think so

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

ok may i knw what series test... if u hav time

OpenStudy (anonymous):

well there are many tests to do but I first need to know how to write the series. if you can give me that ill show you how to do it

OpenStudy (anonymous):

\[\sum_{n=}^{infiniti} something here \] something like that

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