solve the inequality |(n)/(n+1)-1|<0.01
Hint : \[\frac{n}{n+1}-1=\frac{n}{n+1}-\frac{n+1}{n+1}=-\frac{1}{n+1}\]
abs cancels the negative
i'm stuck with solving for <0.01
better to reverse it from first step\[|\frac{1}{n+1}|<\frac{1}{100}\]\[|n+1|>100\]now solve for n
i can see how to come up with the answer of n = 99 but i'm trying to work out the reasoning for the answer given at the value of 101
that answer given does include 99
conider the equation\[|x|>a\]where \(a\) is a positive real number... solution of this inequality is \(x>a\) and \(x<-a\)
forgive me if my question is stupid, in being absolute value i am aware of the rule that you have just stated, but is there working to show
i should also state that the answer is given as n>99 or n<-101, i think i just answered my own question
yep
do u wanna know how can we prove that rule?
yes if you don't mind
well consider 2 cases if \(x>0\) then \(|x|=x\) and \(x>a\) if \(x<0\) then \(|x|=-x\) and \(-x>a\) multiply by \(-1\) ----> \(x<-a\)
i'd say that's pretty much the proven
you got a new fan
lol...thank u
and a similar rule : when \(|x|<a\) where \(a\) is a positive real number... then u can prove : \(-a<x<a\)
ok hang on i gotta take all this down and go over it a few times to make it sink in, i know these rules will be handy for the future, i got a lot of catching up to do here in calculus
i still can't find how to show the value of 101
oh sorry i was out
i mean -101
we got \(|n+1|>100\) right?
yea
well according to the first rule ... \(n+1>100\) or \(n+1<-100\) from this n+1>100 ----> n>99 n+1<-100 -----> n<-101
now i can see where the rule fits,
:)
thanks again, you'eve really taken the timer to explain things, i got another one that i have been working on its a bit harder than that one should i post it or can i just give it to you here
np...give it here
|(2n^2)/(n^2+4)(-2)|
\[|\frac{2n^2}{(n^2+4)(-2)}|\]?
the -2 is separate its not part of the denominator
\[\left| \frac{2n^2}{(n^2+4)}(-2) \right|\]
thats better
u can get constants out of abs whatever it is so i can write\[\left| \frac{2n^2}{(n^2+4)}(-2) \right|=4\left| \frac{n^2}{(n^2+4)} \right|\]
in better words : \[\left| \frac{2n^2}{(n^2+4)}(-2) \right|=|-4|\left| \frac{n^2}{(n^2+4)} \right|=4\left| \frac{n^2}{(n^2+4)} \right|\]
because we know that \(|ab|=|a||b|\)
i can honestly say that i have no idea where this is leading
i'll tell u what they mean by this question... is it ok till there?
yes but because i've never done this before i'm frozen here, i'm entirely dependant on your lead here
:)
im going to prove\[\frac{n^2}{n^2+4}>0\]for all real numbers \(n\)
can u tell me why?
because x>a
where a is a positive real number
then |x|=x, yes , no|?|
yep
if we prove that then we can omit the abs sign
i thought i could understand at least that much
lets go to work on that \[\frac{n^2}{n^2+4}>0\]
im trying but my paper is getting thin from rubbing out the mistakes
\(n^2\) and \(n^2+4\) are positive values... so that fraction will be positive also
i agree
so the final result will be\[\left| \frac{2n^2}{(n^2+4)}(-2) \right|=|-4|\left| \frac{n^2}{(n^2+4)} \right|=4\left| \frac{n^2}{(n^2+4)} \right|=\frac{4n^2}{n^2+4}\]
Mmm this is a hard one
but u have it now ;)
i,m still trying to find my way to the answer given at n>sqrt396 or n<-sqrt396
because i don,t know how to deal with the quadratic
so what is the original question?
i think u missed something in the question
solve the following inequalities
is all that is missing
u gave me \[\left| \frac{2n^2}{(n^2+4)}(-2) \right|\] well greater or less than what?
oops <0.01
so now the problem is\[\ \frac{4n^2}{(n^2+4)}<0.01\]
sorry i been doing math since 8 o clock this morning
yes
no problem :)
reverse both sides of it what will u get?
i would only be guessing ,
i hate to butt in, and i hope i am wrong, but i am going to bet that it was \[\left| \frac{2n^2}{(n^2+4)}-2 \right|\] and not \[\left| \frac{2n^2}{(n^2+4)}(-2) \right|\]
like i said, i really hope i am wrong, because this is such good work
i am thinking that you are trying to prove, using the definition, that the limit as x goes to zero is 2 that would give the inequality i wrote above
u r right ...thats it :)
then it is not a multiplication, but a subtraction, and the algebra will be different
you are going to get \[|\frac{-8}{n^2+4}|<0.1\] which is much easier
i would really like to see how you found -8
algebra
\[\frac{2n^2}{n^2+4}-2=\frac{2n^2-2(n^2+4)}{n^2+4}\]
when you wrote \[\left| \frac{2n^2}{(n^2+4)}(-2) \right|\] @mukushla understandably thought it was a product because of the parentheses around the \(-2\) but i think in fact it should have been \[\left| \frac{2n^2}{(n^2+4)}-2 \right|\] which is entirely different
i have obviously been to much math today, satellite looks like your running with it
wait that is wrong scratch that
you are trying to prove \[\lim_{n\to \infty}\frac{2n^2}{n^2+4}=2\]
no my limit questions are coming up next, we are just trying to solve the inequality have you got any more input
you are being gently led it to that topic. this is the algebra you will have to do when you get there
great lead on
\[|\frac{-8}{n^2+4}|<0.1\] \[|\frac{8}{n^2+4}|<0.1\] \[-0.1<\frac{8}{n^2+4}<.1\] gives two inequalities to solve, just like the first one \[-.1<\frac{8}{n^2+4}\] and \[\frac{8}{n^2+4}<.1\] normally you cannot multiply with a variable, because you do not know if it is positive or negative but in this case since \(n^2+4>0\) you can solve by multiplying both sides by \(n^2+4\)
do you think we can solve this, because i cant keep my eyes open much longer
ok i think solving for n gives 96, obviously i'm wrong there or missing a step
because its 0.01 not 0.1........
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