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OpenStudy (anonymous):

x^2-6x-1=0??

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Need quadratic formula or you can try completing the square.

OpenStudy (tyteen4a03):

@CliffSedge Completing the square would be redundant here, since he is looking for x, I assume.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

its suppose to be completing the square but my ansa isnt coming out like the book

OpenStudy (anonymous):

@tyteen4a03 that's why I said, "or" he can do one of the other, they both yield the same result.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

it says solve by completing the square but the book have a completely different answer...lost

OpenStudy (tyteen4a03):

@CliffSedge But quadratic formula will be much quicker. Since you said "or", oh well. @Blaque23 Please specify it next time. I will show the first step: (x - 3)^2 - 9. You take the -6 from -6x, divide it by 2, name it y, then put it into (x + y)^2 (you get what I mean). Now find the square of y (will always be positive) and subtract is from (x + y)^2.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

i ike quadratic equations.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

my bad its x^2-6x-11=0... and the book has {3+2 square root of 5, 3-2 square root of 5}...how did they get there??

hartnn (hartnn):

Compare your quadratic equation with \(ax^2+bx+c=0\) find a,b,c then the two roots of x are: \(\huge{x=\frac{-b \pm \sqrt{b^2-4ac}}{2a}}\)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Quadratic formula is *sometimes* quicker. I was able to complete the square in less time than it would have taken to find the discriminant. I depends on the numbers and your mental arithmetic skills. But that's all irrelevant here. Fun fact, though: The quadratic formula is derived by completing the square.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

\[x^2-6x-11=0 \rightarrow x^2-6x=11 \rightarrow x^2-6x+9 =11+9 \] \[\rightarrow (x-3)^2=20 \rightarrow x-3=\pm \sqrt{20}.\] I don't know, I find that easier than plugging a bunch of stuff into the QF and simplifying. For more complicated numbers, though, QF is definitely the weapon of choice.

hartnn (hartnn):

getting that number '9' is sometimes not so easy.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

where did the 9 come from??

OpenStudy (anonymous):

tyteen explained how to get the 9. <scrollup>

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Take half the middle coefficient and square it, then add it to both sides.

OpenStudy (tyteen4a03):

@Blaque23 My completed-square version of the expression. @hartnn The general formula for getting that number from (x+h)^2 would be (h/2)^2

OpenStudy (anonymous):

n.b. In general, if there is a leading coefficient other than 1 you'd have to factor that out first, then things can get messy with fractions and parentheses and such, so QF is usually preferred in those cases.

hartnn (hartnn):

that i know,but its not integer always, fraction, solving in fractions is not considerably easy.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

q.v. "...then things can get messy with fractions and parentheses and such,..."

OpenStudy (anonymous):

but is that the same as what the book has {3+2√(5), 3-2√(5)}??

OpenStudy (anonymous):

ok i got it thanks!!

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