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OpenStudy (anonymous):

help with AP calc hw plz!

hero (hero):

Simply posting your actual question would be great

OpenStudy (anonymous):

im going to take a pic :3

OpenStudy (anonymous):

OpenStudy (anonymous):

the limit is x->-1/2+

hero (hero):

You've got like 5 questions circled. Which one is it?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

#38

OpenStudy (campbell_st):

perhaps factorising the numerator and denominator will allow you to cancel a common factor

OpenStudy (anonymous):

kk

OpenStudy (anonymous):

limit as x goes to ???

hero (hero):

-1/2

OpenStudy (campbell_st):

there is a common factor that is evident when you factorise numerator and denominator

OpenStudy (anonymous):

then replace \(x\) by \(-\frac{1}{2}\) if you get a number, that is your answer any rational function is continuous on its domain so the limit and the value are the same

hero (hero):

I think @campbell_st is right. You should try factoring the numerator and denominator first before plugging in x = -1/2

OpenStudy (anonymous):

if you get \(\frac{2}{0}\) then you know you can factor both top and bottom as \((2x+1)(\text{something)}\)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

i wouldn't do that, i would plug in first

OpenStudy (campbell_st):

the other thing about eliminating a common factor is that it makes the substitution calculation easier

OpenStudy (anonymous):

if you get something other than \(\frac{0}{0}\) then that is the answer if you do get \(\frac{0}{0}\) then you know how to factor

hero (hero):

If you plug in first, you're definitely going to get a denominator you won't like

OpenStudy (anonymous):

@campbell_st i suck at factoring, so i like to know if i can factor first if i know i have a zero of a polynomial, i know already how to factor it that is why i would check first and not waste my time factoring, in case for example it does not factor over the integers

OpenStudy (anonymous):

so plugin -1/2 im kinda confused

hero (hero):

Why waste your time trying to evaluate before factoring? Seems silly

OpenStudy (campbell_st):

lol... people get lost with squaring and substituting negative fractions... its really what works best you each of us

OpenStudy (anonymous):

what i am trying to say is that if i replace \(x\) by \(-\frac{1}{2}\) i know it must factor as \((2x+1)\times (\text{whatever})\)

OpenStudy (zarkon):

rational functions are continuous on their domain..if you plug in the value and you get a real number then that is the answer to the limit problem

OpenStudy (anonymous):

because it tells me exactly how to factor otherwise i am doing the dance of what two numbers blah blah blah

OpenStudy (campbell_st):

here is the factorised version I hope... \[\lim_{x \rightarrow -\frac{1}{2}} \frac{(2x + 1)(3x -1)}{(2x + 1)(2x - 3)}\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

kk

hero (hero):

@satellite lost me. You're telling me that plugging in x = -1/2 tells you which two numbers you use to factor it?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

@hero both @zarkon and i answered the question "why evaluate first" i think

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yes, by the "factor theorem" if \(r\) is a root of a polynomial \(p(x)\) then we know \(p(x)=(x-r)q(x)\)

hero (hero):

No, @zarkon said something I already knew. The problem is, if you plug in x = -1/2 in this case, you clearly get a zero denominator

OpenStudy (agent47):

This limit is begging for L'Hopital's Rule.....

OpenStudy (anonymous):

it is not some miracle that each time you get \(\frac{0}{0}\) you can factor and cancel. it is precisely because of the factor theorem. you HAVE to be able to factor out the zeros

OpenStudy (campbell_st):

it doesn't need L'Hopital ... just factor to find it.... don't over think it

OpenStudy (anonymous):

im kinda confuzzled a bit :3

OpenStudy (agent47):

i can do lhopital in my head on this... but i guess it depends

hero (hero):

That's because there's too many people trying to give their version of how to solve it.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

what i am trying to say is this: you want the limit of a rational function as x approaches some number first thing you should do is check what you get when you evaluate the function at that number if you get a number back, that is your answer and you are done

OpenStudy (campbell_st):

looking at the type of questions you need to factorise to find the limit..

OpenStudy (agent47):

abanna, just listen to satellite, he's always right lol

hero (hero):

I object to that statement^

OpenStudy (anonymous):

if you get \(\frac{a}{0}\) where \(a\) is some non zero number, then there is no limit

OpenStudy (campbell_st):

@abannavong have a look above at my factorised version.. eliminate the common factor then substitute for your limit.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

and if you get \(\frac{0}{0}\) then you know to factor and cancel AND you know how to factor

hero (hero):

I see what you're saying now, @satellite. I usually do that part in my head first, but not on paper.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

oh ok

OpenStudy (anonymous):

because for example, in this case we see that \(-\frac{1}{2}\) gives 0 that tells us that it MUST factor as \((2x+1)(\text{whatever})\) because \(2x+1\) has a zero at \(-\frac{1}{2}\)

OpenStudy (campbell_st):

@abannavong what level of maths is this...

OpenStudy (anonymous):

and your job is then only to find the other factor, as @campbell_st wrote above

OpenStudy (agent47):

AB calculus, aka cal 1

OpenStudy (anonymous):

AP Calc :3

OpenStudy (campbell_st):

ok... so still high school... just I'm in australia...

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yeah in grade 12

OpenStudy (campbell_st):

thanks... I think you get 5/8 as the limit... good luck

OpenStudy (anonymous):

thank you @campbell_st

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