Comparing hexane and octane, which is a stronger london dispersion force and why
octane does because it has a larger surface area
what about benzil and benzophenone?
would it be benzil for the same reason?
if were talking bout london dispersion forces, then yes. but i'm not sure how their dipole would play out in terms of cancelling out. I think benzophenone would be more polar and thus have greater attraction to one another due to these partial positive/negative charges
i thought both of them were non-polar molecules
they are, but benzil has Oxygens in somewhat different orientations while benzophenone has only one oxygen and it's dipole is concentrated in one direction. remember that dipoles have directional magnitude
for the dipole-dipole forces i just said that the two of them dont't have any because they are both non-polar.
london dispersion forces are present in all molecules right?
sorry i thought you said they're polar, they ARE polar. unequally distributed sharing of electrons in the carbonyl group
yep, london dispersion forces are always there
okay, and how about 2-napthol and naphthalene - i said that 2-nepthol has the greatest dispersion force since the molecules are pratically identical, only 2-nepthol has an extra O
and you said that benzil and benzophenone are polar? i thought they were non-polar
you're right about 2 nephtol, but it is because it is an alcohol and thus it is capable of hydrogen bonding (which is a polar characteristic)
im asking a million questions at once haha im sorry,
i didnt think there was h bonding in 2-napthol
hydroxide counts as a hydrogen bond?
there is, anytime you have an alcohol you have hydrogen bonding when you have H attached directly to O, N or F you are capable of H-bonding
yes
haha it's okay, I'm glad i can help someone who's into chem
so the presence of the OH is what also makes the london dispersion force stronger?
by the way benzil>benzophenone is terms of polarity
does this make it more polar?
and haha i really do enjoy chemistry : )
well, what you mean presence of OH, you mean in solution?
haha thats good, it gets really really complex
there is an OH attached to a C in 2-napthol that isn't in naphthalene
yep thats a hydroxide, which makes 2-naphtol an alcohol, hence the suffix -ol
and both are polar, correct?
yep, both are polar. if you have elements highly electronegative, typically, you;ll have a polar molecule
how do i tell which one has the dtronger dipole-dipole force?
thats something you have to calculate by finding their dipole moment. but you can usually eye it out based on the number of the electronegative atoms and their angles
okay because their surface areas look about the same
oh wait, that's for dispersion forces.
not sure how to tell which has the stronger dipole-dipole or dispersion force since they're so similiar
does the presence of OH make 2-napthol have a stronger dispersion force?
they're kinda similar but not really.. if you have to compare 2 molecules and one has a dipole and the other has no dipole (non-polar), automatically, the one with the dipole has greater intermolecular forces
but both have dipole-dipole forces and i need to state which is stronger and why
say because on has a greater dipole moment.. |dw:1349310614054:dw|
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