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OpenStudy (anonymous):

Please help, I am really struggling with this derivative!

OpenStudy (anonymous):

This is implicit differentiation, and I've tried doing it numerous times, but I'm not getting the right answer. Since there's so many steps I don't know where I'm messing up. Please help!

OpenStudy (helder_edwin):

it should be an equation.

OpenStudy (helder_edwin):

F(x,y)=c

OpenStudy (anonymous):

\[\sqrt{2+3x ^{2}y ^{2}}-2xy=-1.79 \]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

at the point (1,7)

OpenStudy (helder_edwin):

ok. let's see \[ \large \frac{1}{2\sqrt{2+3x^2y^2}}[3(2xy^2+x^22yy')]-2(y+xy')=0 \]

OpenStudy (helder_edwin):

right?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Yep, I got that far before, looks good

OpenStudy (helder_edwin):

ok now \[ \large \frac{3xy^2}{\sqrt{2+3x^2y^2}}-2y= y'\left[2x-\frac{3x^2y}{\sqrt{2+3x^2y^2}}\right] \]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Umm, can you show me how you got that please, I can't figure out how you got there.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Should I distribute the 3 and -2 first?

OpenStudy (helder_edwin):

i'll type it. but it'll take a bit long.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

So this what I have right now: \[\frac{ 6xy ^{2}+6x ^{2}yy' }{ 2\sqrt{2+3x ^{2}y ^{2}} }-2y-2xy'=0\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Is that right?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

\[\frac{ 3xy ^{2}+3x ^{2}yy' }{ \sqrt{2+3x ^{2}y ^{2}} }-2y-2xy'=0\]

OpenStudy (helder_edwin):

\[ \large 0=\frac{3(2)[xy^2+x^2yy']}{2\sqrt{2+3x^2y^2}}-2y-2xy'= \] \[ \large =\frac{3xy^2}{\sqrt{2+3x^2y^2}}+\frac{3x^2y}{\sqrt{2+3x^2y^2}}y' -2y-2xy' \] \[ \large =\frac{3xy^2}{\sqrt{2+3x^3y^2}}-2y+ y'\left[\frac{3x^2y}{\sqrt{2+3x^2y^2}}-2x\right] \]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Okay. What would I do for my next step from the last equation I wrote?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I did it a little differently while I was waiting, sorry

OpenStudy (helder_edwin):

it is great. we got the same thing.

OpenStudy (helder_edwin):

split the big fration. u know this \[ \large \frac{A+B}{C}=\frac{A}{C}+\frac{B}{C} \]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

wait a sec, I think I see it. I would have to subtract \[\frac{ 3x ^{2}yy' }{ \sqrt{2+3x^2y^2} }\] from both sides, and then add 2xy' to both sides?

OpenStudy (helder_edwin):

yes

OpenStudy (anonymous):

okay, just a sec

OpenStudy (anonymous):

and then to get y' by itself I'll have to multiply both sides by \[\frac{ \sqrt{2+3x^2y^2} }{ \sqrt{2+3x^2y^2}2x -3x^2y }\] right?

OpenStudy (helder_edwin):

we had \[ \large \frac{3xy^2}{\sqrt{2+3x^2y^2}}-2y= y'\left[2x-\frac{3x^2y}{\sqrt{2+3x^2y^2}}\right] \]

OpenStudy (helder_edwin):

adding the fractions we get \[ \large \frac{3xy^2-2y\sqrt{2+3x^2y^2}}{\sqrt{2+3x^2y^2}}=y'\cdot \frac{2x\sqrt{2+3x^2y^2}-3x^2y}{\sqrt{2+3x^2y^2}} \]

OpenStudy (helder_edwin):

u have isolate y'

OpenStudy (helder_edwin):

so yes. u have to multiply as u said.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Aha! Thank you so much! Ugh, way too much algebra... Thanks for the help, and I like your profile logo. Obama 2012! Peace :)

OpenStudy (helder_edwin):

u r welcome. thank you. i hope he wins.

OpenStudy (helder_edwin):

in the end we have: \[ \large y'=\frac{3xy^2-2y\sqrt{2+3x^2y^2}}{2x\sqrt{2+3x^2y^2}-3x^2y} \]

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