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OpenStudy (lgbasallote):

3 college friends brought their families for a reunion. John brought his wife, daughter and son, William brought his wife and son, and Jason brought his wife and daughter. Suppose they sat on a circular table randomly, what is the probability that the three friends will be sat next to one another?

OpenStudy (experimentx):

4 + 3 + 3 = 10

OpenStudy (lgbasallote):

that doesn't sound like a probability....

OpenStudy (experimentx):

is answer 7!/10!

OpenStudy (lgbasallote):

no idea

OpenStudy (experimentx):

no answer for this?

OpenStudy (lgbasallote):

no...im not an answering machine to be able to answer everything...

hero (hero):

Lack of explanation ruins the solution process.

OpenStudy (experimentx):

i would like to confirm answer before posting solution process. answer is pretty weird.

OpenStudy (lgbasallote):

i would assume the denominator would be 9!

OpenStudy (experimentx):

both numerator and denominator has the circular symmetry of order 10, so both 10 would be dividing numerator and denominator ... and there isn't difference. that's my guess

OpenStudy (lgbasallote):

...that's impossible...

OpenStudy (lgbasallote):

my guess would be (3!3!)/9!

OpenStudy (experimentx):

i see .. where i made mistake

OpenStudy (lgbasallote):

wait.... i do too... is it 3!/9!

OpenStudy (experimentx):

my new guess would be 3!7!/10!

OpenStudy (lgbasallote):

why 10! as denominator?

OpenStudy (lgbasallote):

shouldn't it be 9! because (10-1)! = 9!

OpenStudy (experimentx):

isn't there 10 people sitting on round table?

OpenStudy (lgbasallote):

yes

OpenStudy (lgbasallote):

circular permutation states that when there are n seats, the total ways of rearranging the n seats would be (n-1)!

OpenStudy (experimentx):

so total perpumations will be 10! since we consider circular symmetry, we should diving it by 10 ... since only 1 out of 10 is unique.

OpenStudy (experimentx):

new sample space is 10!/10 now consider numerator.

OpenStudy (lgbasallote):

....something soundss wrong there....

OpenStudy (experimentx):

3 friends + 7 children and wives = 31 7!

OpenStudy (lgbasallote):

why consider the arrangement of the 7 other people?

OpenStudy (experimentx):

3 friends sitting together, you will have 3!7! permutations

OpenStudy (lgbasallote):

since the only concern is the number of ways the friends can sit together...shouldn't it just be 3!

OpenStudy (experimentx):

why not ... they are also included in sample space.

OpenStudy (lgbasallote):

...do you consider the other things included in the sample space when doing probabilities?

OpenStudy (lgbasallote):

isn't it just possible way of achieving something over total ways

OpenStudy (experimentx):

yes ... as long as they satisfies condition.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I think: \[\frac{ 3! 7! }{ 9! }\]

OpenStudy (experimentx):

isn't it obvious 3!/9! <--- how small is this this?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Yes 3!7!/9!

OpenStudy (experimentx):

consider circular permutation on numerator too.

OpenStudy (lgbasallote):

i still don't know why 7! should be included

OpenStudy (lgbasallote):

i did consider circular permutation in the numerator

OpenStudy (lgbasallote):

\[\frac{(2 - 1)! 3!}{9!}\]

OpenStudy (experimentx):

one out of ten is unique.

OpenStudy (lgbasallote):

i considered two groups: one is the group of friends..the other group is the other 7

OpenStudy (anonymous):

No it is (8-1)!3!/9!

OpenStudy (lgbasallote):

why 8?

OpenStudy (lgbasallote):

...on second thought...yes 8

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I guess @siddhantsharan is going to explain

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Look. Total is clear 9!. Now we consider the ways in which the three friends sit together. Consider the three friends as a set. Therefore you are left with 8 different entities. Their permutaion is (8-1)!

OpenStudy (lgbasallote):

i forgot each one of those 7 are unique

OpenStudy (lgbasallote):

seems @siddhantsharan was two seconds late....good explanation though

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Haha. Lol :)

OpenStudy (experimentx):

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