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OpenStudy (anonymous):

No idea how to do this question. :(

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Find dy/dx at the given point. \[\cos^{2}(9y)=x+y\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

pts: \[(\frac{ 2-\pi }{ 4 }) (\frac{ \pi }{ 4 })\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

do you know how to do implicit differentiation?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yes, that's how i need to start the question. i had: \[-\sin^{2}(9y)=1+y'\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

opps, there's a 9y' after the sin

OpenStudy (anonymous):

\[-\sin^{2}(9y)*9y'=1+y'\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

i dont think the derivative of cos^2 is -sin^2...you have to use the chain rule or the product rule on that

OpenStudy (anonymous):

the derivative of cos = -sin

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yes. but just because that's true doesnt mean when you square them its true d/dx (cos x)^2 using the chain rule, take derivative of the external, times derivative of the internal = 2 (cos x)(-sin x) =-2sinx cos x = - sin(2x)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

its not cos(x)^2 thought, it's (cosx)^2

OpenStudy (anonymous):

if i did it as cos(x^2) it would be -sin(x^2)(2x) since its (cos(x))^2, use the chain rule 2cosx(-sinx)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

what should my y' value be?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

\[\cos^{2}(x) = \cos^{2}(x)*-2\sin(x)\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

???

OpenStudy (anonymous):

:S

OpenStudy (anonymous):

im confused now, you have two different things wrote down for the derivative of cos^{2}(9y)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

that some albert einstine questions

OpenStudy (anonymous):

it's calculus ....

OpenStudy (anonymous):

not 4 me wat are u seanior

OpenStudy (anonymous):

theres 2 different things but theyre equivalent

OpenStudy (anonymous):

i'm in university .. and i don't know what one to use now ... im confused.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

hold on...im confused too...its been awhile since ive done this

OpenStudy (anonymous):

\[\cos^{2}(9y)=x+y\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

i don't think you need to use the chain rule for the cos part.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

i know for sure you do...but let me see if i can get this first before i try to explain it to you

OpenStudy (anonymous):

okay..

OpenStudy (anonymous):

\[\cos ^{2}9y=x+y\] derivative: \[2\cos(9y)*-\sin(9y)*9\frac{ dy }{dx } = 1+\frac{ dy }{ dx }\] you need to use the chain rule to find the derivative of cos^2(9y) do you see how i did that? theres 3 functions combined into each other on the left side. in terms of x they would be: x^2, cos(x) and 9x all of these are combined to get cos^2(9y)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

i see, i see.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

so now what do you do with the dy/dx

OpenStudy (anonymous):

you have to move the one on the right to the left, and then you can factor it out, and then divide by whats left after factoring (the stuff thats not dy/dx) first, lets clean up the left side a little bit \[-18\cos(9y)\sin(9y)\frac{ dy }{ dx }=1+\frac{ dy }{ dx }\] if we subtract dy/dx from both sides, then factor it out of the left side, we get:\[\frac{ dy }{ dx }(-18\cos(9y)\sin(9y)-1)=1\] then just divide both sides by that big messy term on the left

OpenStudy (anonymous):

so that's what y' equals? when i divide both sides? it'll be 1 over the right hand side.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yes

OpenStudy (anonymous):

then, you just plug in the point (note that the x coordinate of the point doesnt matter because theres no x in the derivative

OpenStudy (anonymous):

\[\frac{ 1 }{ -18\cos(9\pi/4)\sin(9\pi/4)-1 }\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

as long as i did my work right, thats the answer...looks like it can be simplified tho because cos(9pi/4) and sin(9pi/4) are on the unit circle and are easy to find

OpenStudy (anonymous):

is cos9pi/4 = root2/2?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

same for sin ???

OpenStudy (anonymous):

is 2/7 the final answer?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

i got -1/10 let me check again tho

OpenStudy (anonymous):

ok.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

let me know when you re-check.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

if sin(9pi/4) = sqrt(2)/ 2 and cos(9pi/4) is the same, -18(sqrt2)(sqrt2)/(2*2)-1 = 10

OpenStudy (anonymous):

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