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OpenStudy (anonymous):

Determine the equation for a circle with radius 5, center on the line 5x=2y, and tangent to the X axis

OpenStudy (anonymous):

need help guys???? please

OpenStudy (hba):

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OpenStudy (hba):

Start with the given equation.

OpenStudy (hba):

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OpenStudy (hba):

@ayman171819 Did you try to solve the ques ?

OpenStudy (chihiroasleaf):

|dw:1353069408789:dw| let the circle is (a,b) can you state a in term of b or vice versa ? *hint:center on the line 5x=2y the circle tangent to x-axis, so the radius equals to b, why?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

what should be do??? it just multi chose

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I'll but the chose

OpenStudy (anonymous):

(x-2)^2 + (y-1)^2=8 (x-2)^2 + (y-5)^2=25 (x+2)^2 + (y-5)^2=25 (x+2)^2 + (y+1)^2=8

OpenStudy (chihiroasleaf):

first, you have to find the centre of the circle, can you find the value of a and b, from the explanation that I gave before?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

what you gave me, I did not understand it. it kind of hard!!

OpenStudy (anonymous):

@ayman171819 Do you understand the meaning of tangent?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yes I do but the instructor make it difficult... I want help???

terenzreignz (terenzreignz):

Remember that your circle is solely defined by a radius and a center. You already have a radius, all that's left is for you to define the point (a,b) which is its center.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Let test if you know it, how long is the distance between x axis and the center?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

is 5

terenzreignz (terenzreignz):

Very good, but why?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

from the origin??

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yes

terenzreignz (terenzreignz):

Ok, basics time :D Your circle has a general equation \[r^{2}=(x - h)^{2}+(y-k)^{2}\] where r = radius (h, k) is the center of your circle You just have to fill in for r, h, and k. You already know r = 5 (right?) Do you know how to get started in finding h and k?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I know the formula.. but the question is Determine the equation for a circle with radius 5, center on the line 5x=2y, and tangent to the X axis. how to find H,K ??/

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I did circles questions but this is kind of tricky one

terenzreignz (terenzreignz):

Well, you have two unknowns, it'd be nice to find two linear equations that involve those two unknowns :D Ok, so h is the x-value for your centre, and k is the y-value for your centre. Your conditions specify that your centre is on the line 5x = 2y, so regardless of the x and y, they must satisfy that equation. So 5h = 2k Do you understand why?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Hint: center ( h, k) with: h is the distance between center and y axis k ........................................................x axis !

OpenStudy (anonymous):

what i understood it gunna be the equation like this (x-5)^2 + (y-2)=25

OpenStudy (anonymous):

And you already know " Let test if you know it, how long is the distance between x axis and the center? "

OpenStudy (anonymous):

5,2

terenzreignz (terenzreignz):

Hey, if you have time, it might be prudent to pretend that there are no choices for this one. Sooner or later, you might have to find the equation of a circle without any.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

terenzreignz's so right about it! Do it yourself without looking at the given optional choices :)

terenzreignz (terenzreignz):

Back to our findings Your centre is the point (h, k) right? We don't know what h and k are, but we do know that (h, k) is on the line 5x = 2y So, can you form an equation that relates h and k?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

(x-5)^2 + (y-2)=25

OpenStudy (anonymous):

or should be first make it like this 5x-2y=0 ????

terenzreignz (terenzreignz):

Let's not jump to conclusions :D (And by the way, that answer is not in your choices...) We know that (h, k) satisfies the condition 5x = 2y, right?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yes

terenzreignz (terenzreignz):

Well, what does that tell you about h and k?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

H= 5,, K=2

terenzreignz (terenzreignz):

No. Ok, let's be more direct. (12, 30) satisfies the equation 5x = 2y BECAUSE 5(12) = 2(30) So, if (h, k) satisfies 5x = 2y as well, then...?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

60=60 is equal

terenzreignz (terenzreignz):

Ok. But other than that, what does it tell you about h and k?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

h=0. k=0.. because we do not have square

terenzreignz (terenzreignz):

No. Ok, let's just get down to it. (h, k) satisfies the equation 5x = 2y THEREFORE 5h = 2k

terenzreignz (terenzreignz):

Just like I did with the (12, 30) example

OpenStudy (anonymous):

ok

terenzreignz (terenzreignz):

Now, that does not tell you enough to give specific values for h and k. The task is to find another equation that involves h or k, or perhaps both, so that you have a system of equations (or simpler). Go ahead find one.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

you mean to make the same original equation

terenzreignz (terenzreignz):

No, I mean find an equation so that you can determine the values of h and k. You have 5h = 2k, but one equation is not enough, as you have two unknowns. Acquire another one.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

(x-5)^2 + (y-2)

terenzreignz (terenzreignz):

Well, I'll hear you out; How did you come by that solution?

terenzreignz (terenzreignz):

Which, by the way, is not an equation, don't forget the = 25

terenzreignz (terenzreignz):

and the ^2 on the (y - 2)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

(x-5)^2 + (y-2)^2=25 this is the final answer or what???

terenzreignz (terenzreignz):

Of course not. It's not even in your choices.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

(x-5)^2 + (y-2)^2=25 this is one of the choices

terenzreignz (terenzreignz):

I think that's not the answer. (Don't agree with me? Prove me wrong :P) But seriously, if you really think that that's the answer, then please show how you got it.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

if I'm wrong teach me how get the answer..

terenzreignz (terenzreignz):

I am. Just follow on, and avoid jumping to conclusions. We know that 5h = 2k right? Let's put that to one side. The circle is tangent to the x-axis, right? Do you have an idea what that looks like?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

You've already known r = 5 and k = ....? Then from 5h = 2k -> h = ....? Then plug into ( x - h)² + ( y - k)² = r²

OpenStudy (anonymous):

(x-5)^2 + (y-2)^2=25 like this

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I don't how to draw in Computer

terenzreignz (terenzreignz):

Again, please avoid jumping to conclusions. Patience... |dw:1353073822551:dw| As you can see, the circle touches the horizontal (x) axis at ONLY one point. That's what we mean by tangent.

terenzreignz (terenzreignz):

Let's take a closer look, then? Oh, and borrow @chihiroasleaf 's drawing

OpenStudy (anonymous):

@ayman171819 Don't be confused between h and k distance!

OpenStudy (anonymous):

ok

terenzreignz (terenzreignz):

|dw:1353073963546:dw| What is the length of that black line I drew?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

half

terenzreignz (terenzreignz):

Half? Half of what?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

of the circle

terenzreignz (terenzreignz):

That's not very precise, is it...? More like half its diameter. Now, half a circle's diameter is its...?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

@ayman171819 Imagine connecting the center to y axis --> k distance!

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I do not have Math Vocabulary because the is my second language

terenzreignz (terenzreignz):

Well, think about it. That line I drew, it's from the center to a point on the circle, that's the radius, isn't it?

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