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OpenStudy (anonymous):

Find the derivative.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

\[\frac{ t }{ (1-t)^3 }\] @zepdrix

zepdrix (zepdrix):

Make sure you're able to get the initial setup correctly :D Cause it all goes downhill from there if you mess that part up hehe. \[\huge \frac{ (t)'(1-t^3)-(t)(1-t^3)' }{ (1-t^3)^2 }\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

i thought it's the quantity cubed, not just the t?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

isn't the derivative of t just 1?

zepdrix (zepdrix):

Was the whole quantity supposed to be cubed? Hmm it doesn't look like it based on the way you have it written :D Yes t gives you 1.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Yes the whole quantity is cubed, that's what i wrote in the original problem i think o_O

zepdrix (zepdrix):

Oh you did write that :D man im off my game tonight!

zepdrix (zepdrix):

\[\huge \frac{ (t)'\left[(1-t)^3\right]-(t)\left[(1-t)^3\right]' }{ \left[(1-t)^3\right]^2 }\]

zepdrix (zepdrix):

Ok ok ok ok does that look better? my bad :3

zepdrix (zepdrix):

Giving youuuuu something to this effect :O \[\huge \frac{ (1)\left[(1-t)^3\right]-(t)\left[-3(1-t)^2\right] }{ \left[(1-t)^3\right]^2 }\]

zepdrix (zepdrix):

The primes are to show where we still NEED to take a derivative :D Hopefully the notation isn't confusing. See how in this next step, I applied the derivative to those 2 terms, and dropped the primes?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

i was missing the power of 2 of the derivative of (1-t)^3 gah. all right i'll check again. And yea i deleted the comment b/c i'm just so stubborn lol sorry

zepdrix (zepdrix):

haha XD

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Wait how am i supposed to simplify this then? do i use pascal's triangle and do it the long way?

zepdrix (zepdrix):

Ummmm I suppose you could do some factoring like this, which gives you a nice cancellation. See how I pulled the square thing out of both terms in the top? \[\huge \frac{ (1-t)^2\left[(1-t)+3t\right] }{ (1-t)^6}\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

no haha i'm actually very confused o_O

zepdrix (zepdrix):

Hmm so the top simplifies to this, right? And then we need to figure out how to proceed. \[\huge \frac{ (1-t)^3+3t(1-t)^2 }{ (1-t)^6 }\]

zepdrix (zepdrix):

Maybe this will help :) Maybe not, but maybe.. so let's try it. Let (1-t)=x \[\huge \frac{x^3+3t\cdot x^2}{x^6}=\; \frac{x\cdot x^2+3t\cdot x^2}{x^6}\]

zepdrix (zepdrix):

See how they both have an x^2 in them? :o

zepdrix (zepdrix):

\[\huge =\frac{x^2(x+3t)}{x^6}\]

zepdrix (zepdrix):

Is the factoring part a little confusing? :D

OpenStudy (anonymous):

the first one isn't it -3t?

zepdrix (zepdrix):

\[\huge (1-t)^3\]The derivative of this gave us:\[\large 3(1-t)^2(1-t)'=\quad -3(1-t)^2\]

zepdrix (zepdrix):

And that term was being subtracted, so it changed the minus to a positive, right? :o

zepdrix (zepdrix):

Make sure you're doing the correct one first :D You always differentiate the TOP of the fraction first, You said the "first" term, so I wasn't sure if maybe you made a mistake on that :D

OpenStudy (anonymous):

what i'm staring at right now is this: \[(1-t)^3-3t(1-t)^2 \] for the numerator.

zepdrix (zepdrix):

I think you forgot to apply the chain rule when you took the derivative of the second term. A -1 should pop out when you differentiate the most inner function (1-t). Changing it to:\[(1-t)^3+3t(1-t)^2\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

oh ok. then how do i go from there?

zepdrix (zepdrix):

\[(1-t)^3+3t(1-t)^2=\quad (1-t)\cdot (1-t)^2+3t(1-t)^2\] Factoring out a (1-t)^2 from each term gives you:\[=(1-t)^2\left((1-t)+3t\right)\] on top.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

ohhh i see. wow that solved the entire problem...you, sir, are a genius. thank you so much haha. i'll be back to annoy you however with more problems :P

zepdrix (zepdrix):

hah :D I'm prolly gonna be busy for a bit XD gotta study for a test tomorrow :D just do the @ thing and I'll try to take a look if i have a minute :3

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yup definitely, thanks! i'll try not to disturb you :P

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