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OpenStudy (sasogeek):

what does absolute value mean?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

mathematical description or layman description?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

|x| --> x if x>0, or -x if x<0

OpenStudy (sasogeek):

wha...? :s i'm lost

OpenStudy (anonymous):

lol that's the mathematical description. in layman terms, if x is positive, like 4, then the absolute value of it is 4. if x is negative, like -5, then the absolute value of it is 5.

OpenStudy (sasogeek):

how do u determine it?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Do you have an example?

OpenStudy (sasogeek):

find the absolute value of x

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I liked @Shadowys 's description.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

His mathematical description was a great answer for your question.

OpenStudy (sasogeek):

i know if i have |x| the solution is |x|=x that i know. my question is, how do you arrive at that conclusion... proof?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

it's the definition. the proof is the first line i gave you. the mathematical description.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

It's only x if x is positive. It is -x if x is negative. It's one of those things that is so simple that it becomes tricky again. Say we are looking for |x| and x is -4... the answer is 4... but from the perspective of the original x, the answer is -(-4)=4.

OpenStudy (sasogeek):

google: "The magnitude of a real number without regard to its sign" i don't see that in ur description/definition/proof.... there's nothing related to magnitudes :/

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I've never seen a more rigorous proof than the piece-wise description given by @Shadowys . The literal meaning is: distance from the origin.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

i.e. that's the layman terms. also, i.e. that's in terms of vectors. |-4|-->4 |-2|-->2 |-x|-->x, for x>0

OpenStudy (sasogeek):

i don't think it's enough to settle with |x|=x, |-z|=z ...

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yes. it is not.

OpenStudy (sasogeek):

it doesn't make sense

OpenStudy (anonymous):

|x| --> x if x>0, or -x if x<0 this is the definition. in fact, it's called the absolute value function. that means it must be like that. MUST

OpenStudy (sasogeek):

why?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

there is no why in this. it is defined that way. the reason you're learning this because this particular function has importance in geometrical analysis.

OpenStudy (sasogeek):

let's just say there is a why. there's a reason for everything, if not i could just make my own math rules and say everyone MUST follow that rule.... unless u don't know the answer to the why in this... :/

OpenStudy (sasogeek):

@Zarkon

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yes. you can make your own rules, if they have an importance in something and if they conform to the original rules of mathematics.

OpenStudy (sasogeek):

well i'm still not satisfied with the given answer.

OpenStudy (zarkon):

if x<0 then x is negative...so -x is positive thus |x|=-x

OpenStudy (sasogeek):

@Shadowys would you say that |y+1|=y+1?

OpenStudy (zarkon):

only if \(y+1\ge0\)

OpenStudy (zarkon):

if \(y+1<0\) then \(|y+1|=-(y+1)\)

OpenStudy (sasogeek):

what's with the magnitude mentioned in the definition by google?

OpenStudy (sasogeek):

magnitude is distance... right?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

From a linear geometric perspective, yes. If we are talking about pressure, for example, not really.

OpenStudy (zarkon):

the absolute value of a number is its distanceto the origin

OpenStudy (sasogeek):

okay now this makes more sense than the earlier explanation/definition... thanks :)

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