how many three digit number can be formed from 1,2,3,4 and 5 if repetition is allowed?
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5^3
rad, can you help with parametric equations
thanks eddie
right 5^3 = 125 what ur question eddie
i want to convert a parametric equation to a polar
for example ?
, x = 4sin t + 2sin(2t) , y = 4cos (t) + 2cos(2t)
i tried doing x^2 + y^2 , but it wouldn't eliminate t. the directions say change the parametric equation to polar equation
how many four digits number can be formed from 1,2,3,4 and 5 if no repetition is allowed?
5 choices for first number, then 4 choices, then 3 choices, then 2 choices 5x4x3x2
thanks eddie
coordinat polar like (r, alpha) ? with r=sqrt(x^2+y^2) alpha = arctan (y/x), right eddie ?
, yes
so my idea was to change parametric to cartesian, then cartesian to polar. but it didnt work
if there are three routes from manila to pampanga and also three from pampanga to pangasinan.How many different routes may be taken if one wants to travel from manila to pangasinan?
3x3
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x^2 = [4sin t + 2sin(2t)]^2 = 16sin^2 t + 16sintsin2t + 4sin^2 2t y^2 = [4cos (t) + 2cos(2t)]^2 = 16cos^2 t + 16costcos2t + 4cos^2 2t x^2+y^2 = 16(sin^2 t + cos^2 t) + 16(sintsin2t+costcos2t) + 4(sin^2 2t + cos^2 2t) = 16(1) + 16cos(t-2t) + 4(1) = 16 + 16cost + 4 = 20 + 16cost
I got x^2 + y^2 = 20 + 16cos(t)
, but now we still have that t , we want to eliminate that
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twine mine ?
nopes... yours like m :)
ok :)
where go from here
actually, r be scalar... but idk why there is t there :)
yeah im stumped
r^2 = x^2 + y^2 r = sqrt(x^2 + y^2) r = sqrt(20+16cos16t) = sqrt(4(5+4cos16t)) = 2sqrt(5+4cos16t) just simplify it :)
topic:permutation A building has 5 entrances and 4 exit. In how many ways can you go in and out of the building?
wait, how did you get sqrt ( 20 + 16 cos 16 ?
r = sqrt( 20 + 16 cos (theta)) and that is wrong, i just checked the graph
pythagorean theorem : r^2 = x^2 + y^2 r = sqrt(x^2 + y^2)
r = sqrt( 20 + 16 cos (theta)) is not the same as the graph of x = 4sin t + 2sin(2t) , y = 4cos (t) + 2cos(2t)
sorry there is typo above :) r = sqrt(20+16cost) = sqrt(4(5+4cost)) = 2sqrt(5+4cost)
ok, that is the wrong graph, the polar is not the same as the parametric
I think i got it
from the second eqution we can solve for cos (t)
y = 4cos (t) + 2cos(2t) now change cos (2t) = 2 cos^(t) - 1
so y =4cos(t) + 4 cos^2(t) -2
then let it equal to zero
4cos^2(t) + 4cos (t) -2 - y = 0 , solve for cos t
I got it, but its pretty long solution, message me if youre interested
yea, its very interesting... great
want to see it ?
i think u can write it here :)
so to solve cos t from 4cos^2(t) + 4cos (t) -2 - y = 0 , that
yes
so far we have x^2 + y^2 = 20 + 16 cos(t) and from the second equation we have y = 4cos (t) + 2cos(2t) , substitute cos(2t) = 2cos^2(t) - 1
now from this 4cos^2(t) + 4cos (t) -2 - y = 0 use quadratic formula, let u = cos t 4u^2 + 4u -2 - y = 0, treat y as a constant , u is the variable u = [-4 + - sqrt( 4^2 - 4*4*[-2-y] ) ] / (2*4)
ahhh, yeah i think i have conected ... quadratic formula, i was forget it
now simplify that
u = -4/ 8 + - sqrt( 16 + 16(2+y)) / 8
u = -1/2 + - 4 sqrt(1 + 2+ y ) / 8 u = -1/2 + - 4 sqrt(3+y)/8
so cos t = -1/2 + - sqrt(3+y)/2
so far, i was so good :)
now lets plug this into x^2 + y^2 = 20 + 16 cos (t)
x^2 + y^2 = 20 + 16 [-1/2 + - sqrt(3+y)/2 ]
right, n then just take sqrt ?, im not sure
, then distribute
x^2 + y^2 = 20 + 16*-1/2 +- 16/2 sqrt(3+y)
x^2 + y^2 = 20 - 8 + - 8 sqrt(3+y)
x^2 + y^2 = 12 + - 8sqrt(3+y) , now plug in x^2 + y^2 = r^2, and y = r sin theta
r^2 = 12 + - 8 sqrt(3 + r sin theta) , and thats a polar equation
and i graphed that on wolfram, and it works. notice that this is is not a function r = f(theta), unless you went real crazy and kept going, r^2 - 12 = + - 8 sqrt(3 + r sin theta) , square both sides
make sense for m now, eddie.. what grade ur class, eddie
im in college
sophomore
so honestly i dont think the teacher gave this problem, or if he did , this is very difficult. its a rotated cardiod
i bet some rotation transformation might make it easier
yea, therefore i have to give medal for u today, eddie :) great, that's amazing
so we learned a lot today i think , never give up . but some problems are intractable , or you need some other method
new question
Write the polar equation r = cos(4*theta) in the parametric form x = x(t), y = y(t)
i was too old to more studying again...
we must study further
where are you from rad?
i from indonesia
sorry, if my english soo bad :)
thats ok , so lets multiply both sides by r r = cos (4theta) r^2 = r cos (4theta), but we have a problem, r cos theta = x , not r cos (4theta)
sorry, eddie... i want going to my student's home there is a private lesson now, next time we can discuss again
nice to know u eddie
try post it in new posting, the other members maybe can help u
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