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OpenStudy (kuoministers):

Please help me :) meoww?

OpenStudy (kuoministers):

let \[\sqrt{\frac{ 7 }{ 12 }- \frac{ \sqrt{3} }{ 3 }} = x - \sqrt{y}\] square both sides and form a pair of simultaneous equations to find x and y given they are rational. hence find (simplified form) \[\sqrt{\frac{ 7 }{ 12 }- \frac{ \sqrt{3} }{ 3 }}\]

OpenStudy (hba):

@Kuoministers Start by squaring both sides and show me your working,I can help you where you go wrong.

OpenStudy (kuoministers):

sure

OpenStudy (hba):

Use (x-y)^2=x^2-2ab+b^2 When you solve the RHS of your equation

OpenStudy (hba):

I mean (x-y)^2=x^2-2xy+y^2*

OpenStudy (kuoministers):

\[\frac{ 7 }{ 12 } - \frac{ \sqrt{3} }{ 3 } = x^{2} - 2x \sqrt{7} + y\]

OpenStudy (hba):

Where did you get sqrt{7} from ?

OpenStudy (kuoministers):

\[\frac{ 7 }{ 12 } = x^{2} + y\] \[\frac{- \sqrt{3} }{ 3 } = -2x \sqrt{y}\] ohh that supposed to be y

OpenStudy (kuoministers):

i dont know what to do :p

OpenStudy (callisto):

For the second equation, express x in terms of y.

OpenStudy (kuoministers):

\[(-\frac{ \sqrt{3} }{ 3 } + 2x)^{2} = y\] right?

OpenStudy (kuoministers):

nono i cant do that

OpenStudy (kuoministers):

im so lost...

OpenStudy (callisto):

Just consider the second equation. Divide both sides by \(-2\sqrt y\) . What do you get?

OpenStudy (kuoministers):

yea i dont know how to divide the RHS by that \[\sqrt[-2]{y}\]

OpenStudy (callisto):

\[\frac{- \sqrt{3} }{ 3 } = -2x \sqrt{y}\]\[\frac{\frac{- \sqrt{3} }{ 3 }}{-2 \sqrt{y}} = \frac{-2x \sqrt{y}}{-2\sqrt{y}}\]Cancel what you can cancel.Simplify it, what do you get?

OpenStudy (kuoministers):

umm the negative on the RHS i think? idk what on the right hand side... but the left hand side its x :P

OpenStudy (callisto):

left right :| You should get +ve for both sides :|

OpenStudy (kuoministers):

:P wow im a special child :O

OpenStudy (kuoministers):

anyways i dont know how to simplify that

OpenStudy (callisto):

\[\frac{\frac{- \sqrt{3} }{ 3 }}{-2 \sqrt{y}} = \frac{-2x \sqrt{y}}{-2\sqrt{y}}\]\[\frac{- \sqrt{3} }{ 3(-2) \sqrt{y} } = x\]\[\frac{\sqrt{3} }{ 6\sqrt{y} } = x\]Got it?

OpenStudy (kuoministers):

oh yea yea i got that!!

OpenStudy (callisto):

Sub. this into the first equation, what do you get?

OpenStudy (kuoministers):

\[\frac{ 7 }{ 12 } = (\frac{ \sqrt{3} }{ 6\sqrt{y} })^{2} + y\]

OpenStudy (callisto):

Okay, simplify the *right* side Note: left = right

OpenStudy (kuoministers):

\[\frac{ 7 }{ 12 } = \frac{ 3 }{ 36y } + y\]

OpenStudy (callisto):

Simplify the first term on the right.

OpenStudy (kuoministers):

\[21y = 3 + 36y ^{2}\]

OpenStudy (callisto):

Can you solve the quadratic?

OpenStudy (kuoministers):

ofc

OpenStudy (kuoministers):

(9y - 3)(4y - 1) right?

OpenStudy (callisto):

(9y - 3)(4y - 1)=0

OpenStudy (kuoministers):

so whats the final answer?

OpenStudy (kuoministers):

answer in book says \[-\frac{ 1 }{ 2 } + \frac{ \sqrt{3} }{ 3 }\]

OpenStudy (kuoministers):

i think our answer for y was wrong?

OpenStudy (callisto):

What's your answer for y?

OpenStudy (kuoministers):

root 3 \ 3

OpenStudy (kuoministers):

i think we didnt rationalise the denominator?

OpenStudy (callisto):

:\ (9y - 3)(4y - 1)=0 (9y - 3)=0 or (4y - 1)=0 y = 1/3 or y = 1/4 Put y=1/3 into \(\frac{\sqrt{3} }{ 6\sqrt{y} } = x\) x = ...? Put y = 1/4 into \(\frac{\sqrt{3} }{ 6\sqrt{y} } = x\) x = ...?

OpenStudy (kuoministers):

x= half x = sqrt 3 over half

OpenStudy (callisto):

Second one is not quite right :|

OpenStudy (kuoministers):

sqrt 3 over 3?

OpenStudy (callisto):

Yup, so now, you have two pairs of solutions, \((\frac{1}{2} , \frac{1}{3})\) and \((\frac{\sqrt{3}}{3}, \frac{1}{4})\) Consider\(\sqrt{\frac{ 7 }{ 12 }- \frac{ \sqrt{3} }{ 3 }} = x - \sqrt{y}\) Pick the suitable pair now!

OpenStudy (kuoministers):

i cant read it, too small... 1 over what?

OpenStudy (callisto):

\[(\frac{1}{2}, \frac{1}{3})\] and \[(\frac{\sqrt{3}}{3}, \frac{1}{4})\]

OpenStudy (kuoministers):

aint both pair suitable? ill pick 1 over 3 and 1 over 4?

OpenStudy (hba):

\[\huge\ \sqrt{\frac{ 7 }{ 12 }- \frac{ \sqrt{3} }{ 3 }} = x - \sqrt{y}\]

OpenStudy (callisto):

No, they are not the same. When you take the square root, the right side should be +ve. One pair gives you a -ve result. Check it~

OpenStudy (kuoministers):

oh yea... so answer would be the half and sqrt 3 over 3

OpenStudy (callisto):

Wait *~*

OpenStudy (kuoministers):

\[\frac{ 1 }{ 2 } - \frac{ \sqrt{3} }{ 3 }\]

OpenStudy (kuoministers):

no?

OpenStudy (callisto):

Check to see if it is +ve or -ve :|

OpenStudy (kuoministers):

thats negative

OpenStudy (callisto):

Can we have a negative number after taking the square root? :|

OpenStudy (kuoministers):

ofc not :P

OpenStudy (callisto):

So, that is wrong :|

OpenStudy (kuoministers):

so what would it be?

OpenStudy (callisto):

What is the other pair?

OpenStudy (kuoministers):

1r4 1r3

OpenStudy (callisto):

\[(\frac{1}{2}, \frac{1}{3})\] \[(\frac{\sqrt{3}}{3}, \frac{1}{4})\] Which one was the pair you'd just tried and it was wrong?

OpenStudy (callisto):

Top one or bottom one?

OpenStudy (kuoministers):

umm top?

OpenStudy (callisto):

Yup, so the bottom one is the correct one :|

OpenStudy (kuoministers):

ahh ok..

OpenStudy (callisto):

Do... you ... understand???

OpenStudy (kuoministers):

yea

OpenStudy (callisto):

Okay :)

OpenStudy (kuoministers):

\[{\color{blue}{\rightarrow \boxed{\mathbb{\text{THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME}}}}} \]

OpenStudy (kuoministers):

like a hours worth :P

OpenStudy (callisto):

You're welcome! (Nice LaTeX! ) Sorry that I didn't replied promptly :( I'm not feeling well and my brain was(is) working very slow!

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