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OpenStudy (anonymous):

How many triangles are there that satisfy the conditions a = 14, b = 2, a = 66°? Possible answers impossible to determine 2 0 1

OpenStudy (whpalmer4):

|dw:1360388684039:dw| How many triangles can you draw that have those elements?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

1?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Or do I need the other side to draw it?

OpenStudy (whpalmer4):

No, you just have to connect the two endpoints...the only issue is whether or not it is possible to do so at all. In this case, it is.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Oh okai thank you c:

OpenStudy (whpalmer4):

looks like 13.3125 is the length of the other side...

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I just needed to determine how many triangles it could make given those points.

hero (hero):

Also, you might want to use this as a guide: |14 - 2| < c < |14 + 2| 12 < c < 16 You know the third side has to be between 12 and 16

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Thank you.

hero (hero):

^That result pretty much let's you know there's only one possible side. and you confirm the value using law of sines.

hero (hero):

Now suppose you had two given sides: a = 16 and b = 13 |16 - 13| < c < |16 + 13| 3 < c < 29 Now the range is wide enough for you to consider that there might be two possible lengths: one short, and one long.

hero (hero):

for the third side, c.

hero (hero):

And you confirm with law of sines to make sure the angles exist.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

How can you confirm that with the law of sines?

hero (hero):

Because if the angles do not exist, you get a false value back

hero (hero):

when you try to solve using law of sines

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Oh okai I see, I forgot I had the angle for that.

hero (hero):

For example, suppose you have a = 3.5, b = 5 A = 51 degrees You consider the third side might be |5 - 3.5| < c < |3.5 + 5| 1.5 < c < 8.5 But then you check with law of sines, and get back a false result...Then you know that such a triangle is not possible.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Oh so I have to check the math to determine if the triangle is possible not just look at the picture?

hero (hero):

That's right. Now suppose you had a = 3 b = 9 A = 115 degrees Now A is obtuse, but side a is only 3 while b > a You can just stop right there because no way is this possible. The side a cannot be the shortest side yet have an obtuse angle as its corresponding angle.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Oh I get it! So for this specific problem, there would be 2 answers possible?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Since it has to be between 12 and 16?

hero (hero):

No, 12 and 16 are too close to each other. If you had something like what I was showing you earlier where 3 < c < 29 Then you can consider that there may be two possible triangles. Notice that 3 is short while 29 is long.

hero (hero):

You might want to re-read what I wrote above.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Oh okai so if the answers I get are only for a long side or only for a short side, than that means there is only 1 answer available?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

If I that is right than I get it c:

hero (hero):

You use it as a guide mainly.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Ah I see.

hero (hero):

If you have something like 12 < c < 16, then it's pretty likely that there's only one possible or none depending on what law of sines tell you about the existence of the angle. If you have something like 3 < c < 6, then again, you consider the same reasoning. If you have something like 3 < c < 29...this is a huge range...so there could be two possible triangles. Double check with law of sines.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Okai I understand I believe c:

Directrix (directrix):

@you-me-at-six I am wondering - Have you studied the Law of Cosines?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Honestly? No, I am just learning as I do my exams because I won't need to take another math class for another year, I just don't have time to read my book that has not helped me learn anything, so basically I'm just taking a question and simply trying to figure out what I can do with it. So no I have no studied the Law of Cosines nor have I studied anything else in pre-calc or trig.

Directrix (directrix):

The Law of Cosines is an algebraic way to determine the number of triangles possible in a scenario such as the one you posted. I had in mind to work the posted problem using the Law of Cosines up to the point where it is evident how many triangles are possible. That's why I asked.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Oh I thought you were insulting my intelligence cx and okai I see why you asked.

Directrix (directrix):

I am respectful of intelligence and would never seek to insult anyone.

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