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OpenStudy (anonymous):

Some people believe in the force (yes, like in Star Wars). To test if young Anakin Skywalker has the force with him, he is told that some cards that Yoda can see but Anakin cannot contain a picture of a planet, a lightsaber, a laser rifle, or a spaceship. As Yoda looks at 20 such cards in turn, Anakin tries to guess what is on the card Yoda is looking at. Of course, Anakin has a 25% chance of simply guessing correctly. a) Verify that the count of correct guesses in 20 cards follows a binomial distribution and write the notation. b) What is the mean number of correct guesses?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

c) What is the probability that Anakin guesses all 20 cards correctly? d) Suppose Anakin guesses correctly on 10 of the cards. What is the probability of him doing this well or better by chance? Do you think he has the force with him?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

@jim_thompson5910

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

a) for this part, you just need to verify the conditions needed to use the binomial distribution hint: one of those conditions is that you have independent events (one event doesn't affect the other)

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

b) mean = n*p n = number of trials p = probability of success

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Ok I got that part as X= number of correct guesses P = probability of correct answer ----> 0.25 Q = probability of wrong answer ----> 0.75 Parameter is: ---------> (20,0.25)?

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

good

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

you might also see this notation B(n,p) = B(20,0.25)

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

you can also say for part a) is that you have two outcomes (he gets the guess right or he gets the guess wrong) so that adds more support for a binomial distribution

OpenStudy (anonymous):

ok cool

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Now (b)? @jim_thompson5910

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

mean = n*p n = number of trials p = probability of success

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Ok

OpenStudy (anonymous):

20*25?

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

0.25 but yes

OpenStudy (anonymous):

5

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

you got it, mean = 5

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Ok ! how do i find the sd

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

sd = sqrt(n*p*(1-p))

OpenStudy (anonymous):

how do i find that

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

n = 20 p = 0.25 plug them in

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

sd = sqrt(n*p*(1-p)) sd = sqrt(20*0.25*(1-0.25)) sd = ???

OpenStudy (anonymous):

sqrt(20*0.25*(1-20)

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

yep

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

then use a calc to evaluate

OpenStudy (anonymous):

wait u did sqrt(20*0.25*(1-0.25))

OpenStudy (anonymous):

is it yours? or mine

OpenStudy (anonymous):

sqrt(5 * (.75)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Is it 3.75 @jim_thompson5910 ?

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

no that's too high

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

oh i didn't see yours fully, you made a typo it *should* be this sd = sqrt(20*0.25*(1-0.25))

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Oh okz

OpenStudy (anonymous):

i did that, and got 3.75...

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

try it again

OpenStudy (anonymous):

i did lol

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

it's NOT 3.75

OpenStudy (anonymous):

1.94?

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

ok here's what the google calculator is saying (you can use google as a calculator) http://www.google.com/search?hl=&q=sqrt%2820*0.25*%281-0.25%29%29&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B3GGLL_enUS420US420&ie=UTF-8

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

ok much better, the sd is roughly 1.9364916731037

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Coool ,i got that!!

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

if you round that to two places, you get 1.94

OpenStudy (anonymous):

kk! now c?

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

wasn't that c?

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

b was the mean

OpenStudy (anonymous):

No

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

btw i only see a and b

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

and b makes no mention of the sd

OpenStudy (anonymous):

ohhh okay heres c and d

OpenStudy (anonymous):

c) What is the probability that Anakin guesses all 20 cards correctly? d) Suppose Anakin guesses correctly on 10 of the cards. What is the probability of him doing this well or better by chance? Do you think he has the force with him?

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

yeah unfortunately i don't have the force like anakin does lol

OpenStudy (anonymous):

haha

OpenStudy (anonymous):

how do i find c

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

type this into your calculator (0.25)^20 to get the answer for c

OpenStudy (anonymous):

i got 9.094947e-13

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

yeah it's very small

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

so either write that or say 0.0000000000009094947

OpenStudy (anonymous):

kk

OpenStudy (anonymous):

d?

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

P(X = k) = (n C k)*(p)^(k)*(1-p)^(n-k) P(X = 10) = (20 C 10)*(0.25)^(10)*(1-0.25)^(20-10) P(X = 10) = (20 C 10)*(0.25)^(10)*(0.75)^(20-10) P(X = 10) = (184756)*(0.25)^(10)*(0.75)^10 P(X = 10) = ???

OpenStudy (anonymous):

0.00992227527

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Can u look at this? A new medical test provides a false positive result for Hepatitis 2% of the time. That is, a perfectly healthy subject being tested for Hepatitis will test as being infected 2% of the time. In research, the test is given to 30 healthy (not having Hepatitis) subjects. Let X be the number of subjects who test positive for the disease. a) What is the probability that all 30 subjects will appropriately test as not being infected? b) What are the mean and standard deviation of X? c) To what extent do you think this is a viable test to use in the field of medicine? I only need C.

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

you got it, congrats and now that I look back up, i see parts c and d in the post below a and b...lol i feel stupid

OpenStudy (anonymous):

c) To what extent do you think this is a viable test to use in the field of medicine?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I found a and b.. a) P(r=30) = 1*1*0.5455 = .5455 or .55 <--- b) Mean = np = 30*0.98 = 29.4 <--- Standard deviation = sqrt(npq) = sqrt (30*0.98*0.02) = 0.7668 <--- c)

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

well you'd need it to be very accurate, the question is: how accurate?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yea..

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

hmm let me think

OpenStudy (anonymous):

kk

OpenStudy (anonymous):

did u get it?

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

does it mention anywhere you need to make a bunch of distribution tables?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

no

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

ok hold on

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

basically the value of p is fixed, but you can change the value of n the question is: when does this test become unreliable when you have n reach a certain point?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yep

OpenStudy (anonymous):

what should i say

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

well let's say you want the average of false positives to be 10 or less (that's your limit and what you would consider accurate...if you get more than 10 on average, then it's inaccurate) So mean = np 10 = np 10 = n*0.02 10/0.02 = n 500 = n n = 500 This means that if you test 500 people, then you'll have on average, 10 false positives. So the max number of people to be tested is 500 people. Anything more than this will make the test unreliable according to your definition above

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

that's one way to do it I think

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Ok cool! so c should be : So the max number of people to be tested is 500 people. Anything more than this will make the test unreliable according to your definition above

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

Yeah your test is only viable for up to 500 people max

OpenStudy (anonymous):

ok thanks. and my a and b above are correct?

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

according to your error set up (ie how much error you're willing to tolerate)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

huh

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

where are you lost

OpenStudy (anonymous):

are they

OpenStudy (anonymous):

are my answers right

OpenStudy (anonymous):

for a and b

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

oh a is correct, b is not

OpenStudy (anonymous):

what is b ?

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

well the second part of b is correct, so that's good

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

but the mean you got is incorrect

OpenStudy (anonymous):

ok@ thanks!!

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

you use 0.02 NOT 0.98

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