Ask your own question, for FREE!
Mathematics 21 Online
OpenStudy (anonymous):

d

OpenStudy (anonymous):

what do u want to prove in 24/p^2-1 to be prime as well?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

the question is not clear...

OpenStudy (anonymous):

no, we need to prove that 24 divides \[p^2 - 1\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

it is not necessary a prime if that is the case

OpenStudy (anonymous):

for example, 24 divides 5^2 - 1

OpenStudy (anonymous):

it also divides 7^2 - 1

OpenStudy (anonymous):

and so on

OpenStudy (anonymous):

all p's are primes greater than or equal to 5

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yes i can prove that, but still 24/49-1=24/48=1/2

OpenStudy (anonymous):

so u will get a fraction, so that is ok with u?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

no it wont be a fraction, 24 | 48 which is 2

OpenStudy (anonymous):

it means 48/24 i.e 24 divides 48

OpenStudy (anonymous):

you mean u take the reciprocal then

OpenStudy (anonymous):

nope I think you're being mistaken

OpenStudy (anonymous):

have done something called mod?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

"|" is a popular notation in math and it means "divides"

OpenStudy (anonymous):

\[\frac{24}{p^2-1}\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

no it's the other way around

OpenStudy (anonymous):

do you understand what I mean?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

oh ok

OpenStudy (anonymous):

i will prove it don't worry

OpenStudy (anonymous):

eg: 2 | 4

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yes its like the mod thing in a way

OpenStudy (aravindg):

i hope u tried it for 5 ..you will get a hint if u do that

OpenStudy (anonymous):

something like induction?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

use the mod method

OpenStudy (anonymous):

what do you mean by mod method?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

prove it in an elementary way, induction is not true, because if it was true then u could prove prime number theorem to infinite

OpenStudy (anonymous):

if u think this can be proven by induction you would get $1000000

OpenStudy (anonymous):

That's not true, I would get that if I prove Riemann Hypothesis

OpenStudy (aravindg):

infact you will be able to separate 24 out for every prime number >=5 which leaves us with a sequence like \(\dfrac{(1)24}{24}\),\(\dfrac{(2)24}{24}\),\(\dfrac{(3)24}{24}\) .........

OpenStudy (aravindg):

of course you can do it with induction :)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yes but if u can prove any formula by induction that means u can prove prime number theorem

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Prime number theorem has been proved already

OpenStudy (anonymous):

i mean any claim of a formula to do with prime

OpenStudy (anonymous):

well prime numbers was proven by Newman and before that Possian

OpenStudy (anonymous):

relying on Gauss Data analysis, trust me i know what i am talking about

OpenStudy (anonymous):

i teach the book the development of prime number

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yup you're right Gauss' guess was quite accurate

OpenStudy (anonymous):

anyway were you implying that I can use modular arithmetic here?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

well it wasn't a guess, it was his counting methodology that lead him to conclude 1/ln(x) from the data, it is a conjuncture accurately speaking

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I do see a pattern as mentioned by Aravind

OpenStudy (anonymous):

how long can u see that pattern?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

without getting random at some point

OpenStudy (anonymous):

it's infinite

OpenStudy (anonymous):

i disagree sorry, unless it is ok at ur level of understanding then let it be but i would give a zero for that...

OpenStudy (anonymous):

show me how would that patten work with a prime number of 1000000000000 digits, can u prove it?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

this way u may understand my point

OpenStudy (anonymous):

unless ur pattern is bounded to a certain prime number, otherwise using induction for p>=5 does not sound right to me

OpenStudy (aravindg):

i am surprised @mathsmind you havent provided her a solution .

OpenStudy (anonymous):

don't be surprise although am a person who does not like to argue a lot but for the sake that some of you don't mislead the mathematical solution, i will explain to u the whole point

OpenStudy (anonymous):

An incomplete induction in prime number can not provide a general pattern due to the approximate random behavior of prime numbers

OpenStudy (anonymous):

At the very beginning i immediately said use mod method, and for someone who is studying number theory must with a blink of an eye see the solution, so here is one case of the solution and u can try to find the other cases

OpenStudy (anonymous):

\[p \ge 5 \space \longrightarrow \space p^2=1 \mod 24\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

solving for p = 1 mod 6 yields to 4 cases:

OpenStudy (anonymous):

(1) p = 1 mod 24 (2) p = 7 mod 24 (3) p = 13 mod 24 (4) p = 19 mod 24

OpenStudy (anonymous):

now the question i will ask for both of u: find the other cases for this solution

OpenStudy (anonymous):

summary if prime number could be solved by induction then we would not have this complicated issue about prime numbers...

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Take the RH, why do we need to go into the world of Fourier series then Laplace transform in order to visualize a pattern for prime number in the eye of RH

OpenStudy (anonymous):

conclusion : hence incomplete induction can never provide a complete pattern for the above proof

OpenStudy (anonymous):

let ur teachers come and debate me about this case, if they want

OpenStudy (anonymous):

so don't say i did not provide a solution, i provided an inside out mathematical and philosophical solution

OpenStudy (anonymous):

There are three types of people, one those who think they know but they don't know, those who knows that they don't know, and those who don't know that they don't know, never mind those who know that they know

OpenStudy (anonymous):

so any one can classify themselves in any means

OpenStudy (anonymous):

any argument after what i said i will consider it a waste of time

OpenStudy (anonymous):

see ya all later

OpenStudy (aravindg):

All izz well :D

OpenStudy (anonymous):

good i wish u all the best

OpenStudy (aravindg):

^^ funny that you wasted your time on that

OpenStudy (anonymous):

it depends on the students that like wasting time hehehe

Can't find your answer? Make a FREE account and ask your own questions, OR help others and earn volunteer hours!

Join our real-time social learning platform and learn together with your friends!
Can't find your answer? Make a FREE account and ask your own questions, OR help others and earn volunteer hours!

Join our real-time social learning platform and learn together with your friends!