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OpenStudy (dan815):

looking for help with line integrals and Independence of path questions

OpenStudy (anonymous):

If it has a potential function, it is path independent.

OpenStudy (dan815):

ah okay i see im not on path indepenance ones yet im trying to get a of line integral stuff first

OpenStudy (dan815):

get a grasp*

OpenStudy (dan815):

look at this question \[\int\limits_{?}^{?}xy^2 dx x=4\cos t, y - 4\sin t , 0< t<\pi/2\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

The point of a line integral is that instead of integrating over a simple interval, like \(0\leq x \leq 10\), you integrate over some parametrized curve, like \((x,y) = (t,2t), 0 \leq t \leq 4\).

OpenStudy (dan815):

its just dx not dxx

OpenStudy (dan815):

what does that mean visually on a graph

OpenStudy (dan815):

oh okay

OpenStudy (dan815):

so lets say therse a curve on x and y axis if i do the line integral with respect to x instead of ds what wud look like

OpenStudy (anonymous):

How would you do it with respect to x?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

You supposed to do it with respect to \(t\)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Okay, I think I understand what you mean now...

OpenStudy (anonymous):

With respect to \(t\):\[ \int_C fds = \int_{t_0}^{t_1}f(x(t),y(t))\cdot \sqrt{[x'(t)]^2+[y'(t)]^2}dt \]With respect to \(x\): \[ \int_C fds = \int_{t_0}^{t_1}f(x,y(x))\cdot \sqrt{1+[y'(x)]^2}dx \]

OpenStudy (dan815):

ya like just putting only dx in terms of dt where as ds is Sqrt (dx/dt)^2 (dy/dt)^2 dt

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Is this what you meant?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

If the curve is expressed as a function of \(x\) then you can use the second formula. If it is a parametrized curve, you use the first formula.

OpenStudy (dan815):

\[\int\limits_{}^{?}xy^2 dx = \int\limits_{?}^{?}(4cost 16) (\sin^2t) (-4 \sin t dt) ; dx=- 4\sin dt\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Ummm I'm not sure what you're doing.

OpenStudy (dan815):

(4 cos t) (16 sin^2 t)*

OpenStudy (dan815):

x = 4 cos t and y = 4 sin t so i just got dx from there and then my function is xy^2 so i subbed it in it wants me to do Integral xy^2 dx and the next question is integral xy^2 dy and then xy^2 ds so i wanted to know what exactly doesn it mean on a graph if im only taking the line integral with respect to x is that just like a normal integral not a curvy integral anymore

OpenStudy (anonymous):

First of all, what did you get for \[ \sqrt{[x'(t)]^2+[y'(t)]^2} \]

OpenStudy (dan815):

sqrt16cos^2t + sin^2t dt

OpenStudy (dan815):

so 4

OpenStudy (dan815):

4 dt

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Alright and what do you get for \(xy^2\) in terms of \(t\)?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Lastly, we know our limits of \(t\) are \(0\) to \(\pi/2\)

OpenStudy (dan815):

with everything together i got 256 Integral sin^2 t cos t dt = Integral xy^2 ds

OpenStudy (dan815):

ya i get 256/3

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Alright, there you go.

OpenStudy (dan815):

i see what u mean im reading something about ds = sqrt (1+[f'(x)]^2)

OpenStudy (dan815):

for explicit functions where dy = f'(x) dx

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