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OpenStudy (frostbite):

H1-NMR, what molecule do you get from the following spectra?

OpenStudy (frostbite):

I have been analyzing the integral and got the following ratio 2:2:3:3 from left towards right. The total number of atoms is unknown.

OpenStudy (frostbite):

And I know it is a organic molecule...

OpenStudy (chmvijay):

do they have given empirical formula please check it out without that it is difficult LOL

OpenStudy (frostbite):

It is... and I can't do a MS and UI

OpenStudy (chmvijay):

mean

OpenStudy (frostbite):

sorry meant IR ;)

OpenStudy (frostbite):

But I think that we are something in the size of ethyl 3-oxobutanoat. Almost fits but I know it is not that.

OpenStudy (chmvijay):

CH3CH2-O group is there what u say

OpenStudy (chmvijay):

CH3CH2-O-CH2-C(CH3)3 how about this

OpenStudy (anonymous):

can't read around 2 (the scale is ridiculous) but both around 2 and 3 are retricemetric I would say.

OpenStudy (chmvijay):

The peak at 2.5 and 3 are singlet right i can say they are doublet or quatret

OpenStudy (frostbite):

My original guess:

OpenStudy (anonymous):

they could be singlets given the resolution of the spectrum.

OpenStudy (frostbite):

But we have the specific ppm to assist so I would think it is dublets.

OpenStudy (chmvijay):

yaa lol!!! just missed but said that it contains CH3CH2O right

OpenStudy (chmvijay):

according to they are singlet only the peaks at 3.41 and 2.27

OpenStudy (frostbite):

But please correct me if you guys think I'm wrong on this point, but we can read off using both numbers and the diagram that: 3 protons see 2 protons < 3 protons see 3 protons < 2 protons see 1 proton < 2 protons see 3 protons?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

why don't you try it there: http://web.chemdoodle.com/demos/simulate-nmr-and-ms

OpenStudy (frostbite):

I use a similar program BioChemDraw that also have a 1H 13C simulator. But would be good if the diagram could be uploaded and then do a check.

OpenStudy (chmvijay):

Cl-C triple bond C-H

OpenStudy (chmvijay):

1-Chloro ethyne

OpenStudy (frostbite):

That only have one chemical shift at about 2.5-3 if I had to guess

OpenStudy (frostbite):

singlet

OpenStudy (chmvijay):

methane also u get singlet dude

OpenStudy (chmvijay):

CH3Cl

OpenStudy (frostbite):

@Preetha @blues @aaronq

OpenStudy (chmvijay):

what happened dude

OpenStudy (frostbite):

Nothing, just linked them to here. Non the less as far as I can see it we have the following situation: 3 protons see 2 protons < 3 protons see 3 protons < 2 protons see 1 proton < 2 protons see 3 protons. With this meaning we have 4 carbon atoms we know most contain hydrogen so: C: >=4 H: 10 O: ? maybe Cl

OpenStudy (anonymous):

at first i would say there is a problem with pairing the signals. if 3 see 2 and 2 see 3 then it is clear. but if 2 see 1 you need to have 1 that sees 2...

OpenStudy (frostbite):

Exactly...

OpenStudy (anonymous):

then I would again question whether the signals at 2.x and 3.y are anything else but singlets badly assigned because of signal resolution.

OpenStudy (aaronq):

man, i wish i could help you, but if you don't have a definite spectra, I'm afraid i can't.

OpenStudy (frostbite):

Okay I found it: http://sdbs.riodb.aist.go.jp/sdbs/cgi-bin/direct_frame_disp.cgi?sdbsno=573 It was the right molecule what I guessed. When you look at the peak data (which I have been given) you can see all the ones I wrote. But what my beloved prof was so sweet to leave out was the intensity... When you look at the intensity for peak around 2 ppm we can see two relative quite different values in ppm which does not obey Pascal's triangle for intensity in NMR. I don't know if you out from that argument and observation can conclude it most be a singlet and the second value is caused by "long-distance-interference" or bag ground noise.

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