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OpenStudy (anonymous):

limits question...

OpenStudy (anonymous):

\[\lim_{x \rightarrow 0}\frac{ \log(2+x) - \log(2-x) }{ x }\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

and there is one more ... \[\lim_{x \rightarrow a}\frac{ asinx - xsina }{ ax^2 - xa^2 }\]

OpenStudy (amistre64):

what methods are you spose to use to assess them?

OpenStudy (amistre64):

Lhopital seems effective to this

OpenStudy (anonymous):

i am not specifically aware of lhopital ?..but you can solve and may explain

OpenStudy (amistre64):

take the ratio of the derivatives of the top and bottom

OpenStudy (anonymous):

alright ..

OpenStudy (amistre64):

\[\lim_{x \to 0}\frac{ \log(2+x) - \log(2-x) }{ x }=\lim_{x \to 0}\frac{ D_x[\log(2+x) - \log(2-x)] }{D_x[x] }\] \[\lim_{x \to 0}\frac{ D_x[\log(2+x)] - D_x[\log(2-x)] }{D_x[x] }\] \[\lim_{x \to 0}\frac{ \frac{1}{2+x} - \frac{1}{2-x} }{1}=0\]

OpenStudy (amistre64):

Lhopital is useful for indeterminant stuff: 0/0 that is

OpenStudy (amistre64):

in the x to a set up, a is held constant so treat it as a constant in the derivatives

OpenStudy (anonymous):

well the answer key says the answer as 1

OpenStudy (amistre64):

for the first one? if so, i may be recalling this a little off, or the key may be wrong :)

OpenStudy (amistre64):

.... murmur, it is 1

OpenStudy (amistre64):

doh! i derived the ln(2-x) as 1/(2-x) and dropped a negative :/

OpenStudy (amistre64):

so yes, 1/2 + 1/2 = 1

OpenStudy (amistre64):

\[\lim_{x \to 0}\frac{ \frac{1}{2+x} - \frac{-1}{2-x} }{1}=1\] ahhh, thats better :)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yeah !!..true for the first...so buddy any idea for the second??

OpenStudy (amistre64):

id do the same concept, but with proper derivatives

OpenStudy (amistre64):

have you done derivatives yet?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

well ..my tutor first didnt start with derivatives but i could solve the limit problems like by formulae ..sinx/x = 1 ...log(1 + x)/x = 1 ...and all that stuff!

OpenStudy (amistre64):

you might want to split the fraction and factor the demoninator then

OpenStudy (amistre64):

\[\lim_{x \rightarrow a}\frac{ asinx - xsina }{ ax^2 - xa^2 }\] \[\lim_{x \rightarrow a}\frac{ asinx}{ ax^2 - xa^2 }+\frac{ xsina }{ ax^2 - xa^2 }\] \[\lim_{x \rightarrow a}\frac{ sinx}{ x^2 - xa }+\frac{ sina }{ ax - a^2 }\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yeah ..!..got it till here!

OpenStudy (amistre64):

ln(x), ln(x+1), ln(x+2) are called horizontal shifts and have no effect on the limit.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

can u plz solve it further too..

OpenStudy (amistre64):

\[\lim_{x \rightarrow a}\frac{ sinx}{ x(x - a) }+\frac{ sina }{ a(x - a) }\] i get a "dne" for this one

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yeah i also did this

OpenStudy (amistre64):

notice that the right side there simply cant be evaluated. its pretty much k/(x-a)

OpenStudy (amistre64):

and the left part is 1/(x-a) the limits simply fail to converge

OpenStudy (anonymous):

wait the answer is given as (acosa - sina) / a^2

OpenStudy (amistre64):

using Lhop \[\lim_{x \rightarrow a}\frac{ asinx - xsina }{ ax^2 - xa^2 }\] \[\lim_{x \rightarrow a}\frac{ acosx - sina }{ 2ax - a^2 }\] \[\lim_{x \rightarrow a}\frac{ acos(a) - sina }{ 2a^2 - a^2 }\] \[\frac{ acos(a) - sina }{ a^2}\] maybe

OpenStudy (amistre64):

oh, then it IS that :) Lhop is soo much simpler to figure out these things

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yeah !!...i think dis method is nothing but diffrentiation ..right ??

OpenStudy (amistre64):

yep

OpenStudy (amistre64):

so long as your orginal limit is indeterminant; the Lhop is sooo useful

OpenStudy (anonymous):

hmm..!..yeah !!..u r right ..just need to brush up that ...thank oyu very much to spend ur time for this ..:))

OpenStudy (amistre64):

youre welcome :)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

u indian?

OpenStudy (amistre64):

no, floridian tho

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