Intervals of concavity, can anyone explain how to do this?
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terenzreignz (terenzreignz):
Do you have a function we can work with?
OpenStudy (anonymous):
YES, omg. didnt think anyone would reply.
one second.
OpenStudy (anonymous):
Basically you need to find when \[
f''(x)=0
\]
OpenStudy (anonymous):
right. i got halfway there i think.
\[f(x)=2\sqrt{x}-x \]
OpenStudy (anonymous):
That is the inflection points. Concavity can only change at inflection points.
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
is the equation, first derivative is 1/radical(x)-1
OpenStudy (anonymous):
Now second derivative?
OpenStudy (anonymous):
i got x=1 but im not sure thats correct.
OpenStudy (anonymous):
Second derivative is?
OpenStudy (anonymous):
\[\frac{ 1 }{-2x ^{3/2} }\]
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
Okay so does it have any roots?
OpenStudy (anonymous):
Um. I dont think so. no.
OpenStudy (anonymous):
So the concavity never changes. Is it always concave up or always concave down?
OpenStudy (anonymous):
what exactly are roots again?
OpenStudy (anonymous):
Roots of \(f(x)\) is just any \(x\) when \(f(x)=0\)
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
so you'd set the second derivative equal to 0?
OpenStudy (anonymous):
Yes.
OpenStudy (anonymous):
technically couldn't you solve for x and get a number?
OpenStudy (anonymous):
Try it out: =)
OpenStudy (anonymous):
I cant doo it. Thats annoying. you end up with -1/x^3. I want to make it something. o.o
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
Okay well think about it this way \[
\frac{f(x)}{g(x)} = 0
\]Multiply both sides by \(g(x)\): \[
f(x)=0 \cdot g(x)=0
\]So the roots of \(f(x)/g(x)\) are just the roots of \(f(x)\)
OpenStudy (anonymous):
In this case \(f(x)=1\).
We know \(1\) has no roots because... \(1\ne 0\).
OpenStudy (anonymous):
Thus \[
\
\frac{f(x)}{g(x)} =\frac{ 1 }{-2x ^{3/2} }=0
\]Has no solutions... there are no roots.
OpenStudy (anonymous):
So the function is always concave up or always concave down
OpenStudy (anonymous):
@skay I don't have all night. Say something.
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
Okay. sorry
OpenStudy (anonymous):
Just thinking it through.
OpenStudy (anonymous):
umm. its concave down.
OpenStudy (anonymous):
How did you figure that out?
OpenStudy (anonymous):
I graphed it with my calculator :(
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
All you got to do is put in a test point, like \(x=1\).
OpenStudy (anonymous):
0.35?
OpenStudy (anonymous):
You need to try harder and ask questions. I'm running out of time.
OpenStudy (anonymous):
ummm in the second derivative?
OpenStudy (anonymous):
Yes.
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
okay so what do i do with 0.35?
OpenStudy (anonymous):
That isn't what you get when you put \(1\) in the second derivative.
OpenStudy (anonymous):
i get negative 1/2.8284...
OpenStudy (anonymous):
wait, -1/2?
OpenStudy (anonymous):
Okay is that above zero or below zero?
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
below
OpenStudy (anonymous):
so x<0
OpenStudy (anonymous):
No \(f''(x)<0\)
Which means that \(f(x)\) is concave down.
OpenStudy (anonymous):
Right. according to the rules. Ok.
OpenStudy (anonymous):
thanks!
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