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OpenStudy (perl):

Boolean QUestion how come x'z + xy + yz = xy + x'z

OpenStudy (perl):

this boolean calculator says they are equivalent (same truth table)

OpenStudy (perl):

i dont see how the left side equals right side,

OpenStudy (perl):

using a proof

OpenStudy (gorv):

@perl XY+(X+X')YZ+X'Z=XY+XYZ+X'YZ+X'Z=XY(1+Z)+X'(1+Y)Z =XY+X'Z

OpenStudy (perl):

because (X+X') = 1 , and 1 * x = x

OpenStudy (perl):

@gorv why does XY(1+Z)+X'(1+Y)Z =XY+X'Z

OpenStudy (perl):

1+x = 1

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

1+x= 1

OpenStudy (perl):

thanks :)

OpenStudy (perl):

@gorv how did you know to do this?

OpenStudy (perl):

very nice proof

OpenStudy (perl):

oh , let me check

OpenStudy (perl):

he told me that (x'z'+xy')' = z(x'+y) which is false

OpenStudy (perl):

he said that is the book answer

OpenStudy (perl):

i see, i went too fast

OpenStudy (perl):

so what were you saying before, that we have to find MMF form. what was your approach?

OpenStudy (perl):

you dont need my permission :)

OpenStudy (perl):

ok i misunderstood what he said, i read it too fast

OpenStudy (anonymous):

in kert question, it asked to simplify. so , yours is good

OpenStudy (anonymous):

anyway, you got more than him

OpenStudy (anonymous):

me too. sit here to learn from others, :)

OpenStudy (perl):

so we wanted minimal sum of products form. and you can do it as gorv did it, or use karnaugh map

OpenStudy (perl):

i dont know how to do karnaugh map

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yeap, to 4 variable problem, I prefer K map

OpenStudy (anonymous):

google

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I studied it by myself. quite easy

OpenStudy (perl):

did you know the solution gorv did?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

sure, I studied that way from my prof

OpenStudy (perl):

how come gorv answered and you didnt?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

because I ammmmm brainless. hehehe

OpenStudy (perl):

haha

OpenStudy (perl):

all is good , so how come xy + yz + x'z is not minimal form? because y repeats

OpenStudy (anonymous):

go to other topic friend, boolean is not hard to understand. the question ask about arithmetic is amazing and the guy gave out the answer is a real big guy.

OpenStudy (perl):

can you give me link?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

remember the question asked about a =9 mod 10 a =8 mod 9.... amazing answer.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

you were there, and both us thought about chinese theorem

OpenStudy (perl):

it turns out we didnt need it because there was a trick

OpenStudy (anonymous):

of course our ways can come up with that solution, but his way is..... Perfect

OpenStudy (perl):

Solve x mod 10 = 9 x mod 9 = 8 x mod 8 = 7 x mod 7 = 6 x mod 6 = 5 x mod 5 = 4 x mod 4 = 3 x mod 3 = 2 x mod 2 = 1

OpenStudy (anonymous):

not a trick, just flexibility what we don't have

OpenStudy (perl):

now watch my solution

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yeah, to me, meet that problem, I have to figure out phi function to solve

OpenStudy (perl):

if this is true : x mod 10 = 9 x mod 9 = 8 x mod 8 = 7 x mod 7 = 6 x mod 6 = 5 x mod 5 = 4 x mod 4 = 3 x mod 3 = 2 x mod 2 = 1 Then this is true: x mod 10 = 9 mod 10 x mod 9 = 8 mod 9 x mod 8 = 7 mod 8 x mod 7 = 6 mod 7 x mod 6 = 5 mod 6 x mod 5 = 4 mod 5 x mod 4 = 3 mod 4 x mod 3 = 2 mod 3 x mod 2 = 1 mod 2 Then this is true: x +1 mod 10 = 9 +1 mod 10 = 0 x +1 mod 9 = 8 +1 mod 9 = 0 x +1 mod 8 = 7 +1 mod 8 = 0 x +1 mod 7 = 6 +1 mod 7 = 0 x +1 mod 6 = 5 +1 mod 6 = 0 x +1 mod 5 = 4 +1 mod 5 = 0 x +1 mod 4 = 3 +1 mod 4 = 0 x +1 mod 3 = 2 +1 mod 3 = 0 x +1 mod 2 = 1 +1 mod 2= 0

OpenStudy (perl):

ok so far?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

good

OpenStudy (perl):

so x+1 is a multiple of 2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10 and we want the smallest multiple x+1 = LCM { 2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10}

OpenStudy (anonymous):

just notation, x+1 = 0 mod 10 for example. not as yours. but I understand

OpenStudy (perl):

x +1 mod 10 = 9 +1 mod 10 = 0 mod 10 x +1 mod 9 = 8 +1 mod 9 = 0 mod 9 x +1 mod 8 = 7 +1 mod 8 = 0 mod 8 x +1 mod 7 = 6 +1 mod 7 = 0 mod 7 x +1 mod 6 = 5 +1 mod 6 = 0 mod 6 x +1 mod 5 = 4 +1 mod 5 = 0 mod 5 x +1 mod 4 = 3 +1 mod 4 = 0 mod 4 x +1 mod 3 = 2 +1 mod 3 = 0 mod 3 x +1 mod 2 = 1 +1 mod 2= 0 mod 2

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Actually, for this part, I studied last summer when I was free from math at school and unfortunately, I studied by myself. I didn't have a prof confirm what I have.

OpenStudy (perl):

so we used a theorem x mod n = y mod n if and only of ( x + c) mod n = ( y + c ) mod n

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yep

OpenStudy (perl):

and also we can say (x +1 ) mod 10 = 0 means that (x+1) / 10 = k , (because no remainder) (x+1) is a multiple of 10

OpenStudy (perl):

(x+1) = 10*k

OpenStudy (anonymous):

got it

OpenStudy (perl):

so we want a multiple of 10, a multiple of 9, a multiple of 8 ,... and might as well use the least common multiple. the problem didnt actually specify the 'least' , but

OpenStudy (perl):

also the original problem excluded x+1 mod 9, x+1 mod 7, etc

OpenStudy (perl):

its a nice problem , yes i didnt see the solution. but its ok

OpenStudy (anonymous):

come here http://openstudy.com/study#/updates/517bedc0e4b0249598f7b180 I saw that problem once, let see how other answer

OpenStudy (gorv):

@perl yeah 1+anything =1 that XX'=0 and gate X+X'=1 or gate

OpenStudy (perl):

gorv, i wasnt sure how you discovered the proof (but the proof works :)

OpenStudy (gorv):

the main thing was to eliminate YZ so i apply bolean operation

OpenStudy (perl):

interesting

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