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OpenStudy (liizzyliizz):

What are the possible number of positive, negative, and complex zeros of f(x) = 2x^3 – 5x^2 – 6x + 4 ? Can someone help me, I am not sure if I am doing this properly.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

here is a great explanation with example we can work through it in a minute or two if you still need help http://www.purplemath.com/modules/drofsign.htm

OpenStudy (liizzyliizz):

Thank you and sure I have some time. I do have some work already done and I am familiar with the steps I am supposed to take, but when I get to the complex zeros, I am getting strange results.

OpenStudy (liizzyliizz):

The first thing you need to do is write the equation and look at where the sign changes. 2x^3 – 5x^2 – 6x + 4 (Sign changes twice therefore, there are 2 positive real zeros in the function) 2x^3 – 5x^2 – 6x + 4 The next thing that you do is make the x variables negative. -(2x^3) -(-5x^2) -(-6x) - 4 Next,simplify each of these terms by simplifying the variables. -2x^3 + 5x^2 + 6x - 4 (Sign changes twice, therefore there are 2 negative real zeros in the function) Using Descartes' rule of signs there's an extra step in which you subtract 2 from the number you have for the possible negative real zeros. Therefore 2-2 = 0, so there's a possibility that there are 2 or 0 negative real zeros.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

two changes in sign says there are either 2 or no positive zeros

OpenStudy (liizzyliizz):

Whoops lol I knew I was forgetting something, I just wasn't quite sure what it was.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

but i think \(f(-x)\) has only one change in sign correct me if i am wrong

OpenStudy (anonymous):

this line \[-2x^3 + 5x^2 + 6x - 4 \] is wrong

OpenStudy (anonymous):

\[f(x)= 2x^3 – 5x^2 – 6x + 4 \] \[f(-x)=-2x^3-5x^2+6x+4\]

OpenStudy (liizzyliizz):

hmm perhaps that explains why my work for the complex zeros was coming out strange. O.o You'd think basic math wouldn't be an issue lol.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

no i would never think that basic mistakes at the beginning cause all kinds of problems you got this now right?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

1 negative zero and either 2 or no positive ones

OpenStudy (liizzyliizz):

okay, and for the complex zeros would it be 1 or 0 then? Since you'd subtract 3-2-1 and 3-2-0 ?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

no

OpenStudy (liizzyliizz):

Wait, youre right, I am missing something o.o lol Trying to figure out what it is exactly.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

you count down by twos \(f(-x)\) has one change in sign, so there must be one negative real zero

OpenStudy (anonymous):

because there cannot be minus one negative real zero, that doesn't make any sense

OpenStudy (anonymous):

and since \(f(x)\) has two changes in sign, there are either 2 or no real positive zeros

OpenStudy (liizzyliizz):

yeah that's what I was getting before and I knew I was doing something wrong since -1 doesn't make sense. err

OpenStudy (anonymous):

there are three zeros all together, counting multiplicity and complex zeros so there are only two options \(i\) one negative real zero and 2 positive ones \(ii\) one negative real zero and 2 complex ones

OpenStudy (liizzyliizz):

Ok I am kind of grasping what you are saying, can you explain how you got to that conclusion? Sorry, I am trying to reteach this to myself and I am a bit lost lol.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

no problem

OpenStudy (anonymous):

once you use descartes rule of sign, you count down by twos

OpenStudy (anonymous):

so for example if \(f(x)\) has 4 changes in sign, then there are either 4, 2 or 0 positive zeros

OpenStudy (anonymous):

and if \(f(x)\) has 3 changes in sign, there are either 3 or 1 positive zero

OpenStudy (anonymous):

is this more or less clear? you count down by twos for each one

OpenStudy (liizzyliizz):

Yeah this makes sense :)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

in this case you have 2 changes in sign for \(f(x)\) so there are either 2 or 0 positive zeros

OpenStudy (anonymous):

since there is only one change of sign for \(f(-x)\) there must be one negative zero

OpenStudy (anonymous):

because you can't count down by twos starting at 1 there must be exactly 1

OpenStudy (anonymous):

no choices there, but for the positive zeros there are two choices: 2 or 0

OpenStudy (anonymous):

and therefore for the complex zeros there are also two choices, 2 or 0, because there are 3 in total for sure (degree is 3)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

btw there are always an even number of complex zeros, because if \(a+bi\) is a zero, then so is its conjugate \(a-bi\)

OpenStudy (liizzyliizz):

That last fact, I did not know. Thank you so much, it makes a lot more sense now! :)

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