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OpenStudy (firejay5):

Show work & Help me! :D Medal will be rewarded! :D I need help on 57 - 61 on page 529. Help me get started on each problem please! :D Here's the link: http://www.mrlarkins.com/algebra2/docs/chap10.pdf

OpenStudy (firejay5):

@dumbcow

zepdrix (zepdrix):

So for 57 we'll use an exponential function of the form \(\large y=ab^x\) as was used in example 3 of the champter. \(\large a\) is our initial amount of bacteria. Problem 57 tells us are timer starts at 2pm. So that will be our initial time. There is a little chart to the right, it says at 2pm, we have 100 bacteria. So that is telling us that our initial amount of bacteria, \(\large a\) equal 100. \(\large y=100b^x\) Does that much make sense so far?

zepdrix (zepdrix):

chapter* our*.. wow i made some typos in there. lol

OpenStudy (firejay5):

It's okay I am sorry about the link

zepdrix (zepdrix):

no probs c:

OpenStudy (firejay5):

yea it makes sense

zepdrix (zepdrix):

\(\large x\) is time \(\large y\) is bacteria The chart is also telling us that at 4pm (This is when 2 hours have passed), the bacteria has grown to 4000. So they're saying when \(\large \color{orangered}{x=2}\) (2 hours passed), that \(\large \color{green}{y=4000}\) So let's plug these values in, and solve for \(\large b\).

zepdrix (zepdrix):

\[\large \color{green}{y}=100b^{\color{orangered}{x}} \qquad \rightarrow \qquad \color{green}{4000}=100b^{\color{orangered}{2}}\]

zepdrix (zepdrix):

So you think you can solve for \(\large b\) from that point?

OpenStudy (firejay5):

4,000 = 100b^2

zepdrix (zepdrix):

We want to get the b value alone. So maybe start by dividing each side by 100.

OpenStudy (firejay5):

I got the answer

OpenStudy (firejay5):

y = 100(6.32)^x

zepdrix (zepdrix):

Cool, looks good so far.

OpenStudy (firejay5):

On 58, I put, "On the table at x = 7 it says 4.03E7 = 40,273,516 million bacteria. Is that the right answer?

zepdrix (zepdrix):

Ok realize that they're trying to trick you a little bit here. We're not dealing with \(\large x=7\). We're dealing with 7pm, which is 5 hours passed our starting time.

OpenStudy (firejay5):

on the table what should I look for

zepdrix (zepdrix):

We used the table to get our \(\large a\) value, and we used the table again and did a little math to get our \(\large b\) value. We don't need the value anymore. We've successfully setup our bacteria function, without any missing information, \(\large y=100(6.32)^x\) Now they want to know how much bacteria \(\large y\) will there be at 7pm, \(\large x=5\)

OpenStudy (firejay5):

on the table go to x=5

zepdrix (zepdrix):

what table? D:

OpenStudy (firejay5):

on my calculator

zepdrix (zepdrix):

oh oh oh i see :)

OpenStudy (firejay5):

am i right?

zepdrix (zepdrix):

If you put the function into your calculator and made a table, then yes, look for x=5 and find out what your y value is.

OpenStudy (firejay5):

at x = 5 it says 1.01E6 = 1,008,289.84082

zepdrix (zepdrix):

yup looks good.

OpenStudy (firejay5):

can I put the numbers: 1,008,289 million bacteria

zepdrix (zepdrix):

If you're to round to the `hundredths` place, then we are rounding off to 2 decimals. So for our answer we would want to put, y=1,008,289.84

OpenStudy (firejay5):

could we leave it as 1,008,289 million bacteria

zepdrix (zepdrix):

ya that's probably ok. make sure you don't put the word million after it like you did. Our bacteria is amount equal to, 1,008,289 Which we could write as 1.008289 million. See how we have just over 1 million? The way you wrote it, it looks like a million millions.

OpenStudy (firejay5):

I kind of know how to write an exponential function on #59

OpenStudy (firejay5):

I started #59: y=ab^x 5.31=3.93b^10 <---- but I think it's wrong.

OpenStudy (tkhunny):

Keep in mind that "an exponential function" is not particularly well-defined. These are exponential functions: \(y = Ae^{-bx}\) -- And probably is what is wanted. \(y = Ab^{x}\) -- Perfectly acceptable \(y = A + B^{cx}\) -- No one said "Purely" exponential. \(y = \dfrac{A}{B + Ce^{Dx}}\) 1790 3.93 million 1800 5.31 million That's all you need. Choose an appropriate form: \(y = Ae^{b(x-1790)}\) I decided to index to 1790, choosing 1790 as the base value. This form also gives IMMEDIATELY, A = 3.93. \(y = 3.93e^{b(x-1790)}\) All that is left is to use the 1800 data to find "b". Go!

OpenStudy (firejay5):

I have 59, I need help on 60 & 61 can you get me started on them, I have to go to bed.

OpenStudy (tkhunny):

I'm a little troubled by this. If you did 59, there really is no excuse for not getting 60. 59 is the perfect setup for 60. Just enter the values and read off the results! What model did you get in 59 and what does it mean?

OpenStudy (firejay5):

What answer

OpenStudy (firejay5):

function

OpenStudy (tkhunny):

You stated, "I have 59". What did you get? What exponential function did you define to fit those two data points?

OpenStudy (firejay5):

y = 3.93(1.35)^x

OpenStudy (tkhunny):

Okay, what is 'x'? Is that years or decades or what?

OpenStudy (firejay5):

I don't know what do you think it is

OpenStudy (tkhunny):

You designed it. Did you WRITE DOWN a definition? If not, you have nothing.

OpenStudy (firejay5):

It says decades

OpenStudy (firejay5):

every ten years = 1 decade

OpenStudy (tkhunny):

1.35 * 3.93 = 5.3055 Okay, it looks like you intended x to be decades since 1790. Verify x = 0 IS 1790 3.93*(1.35)^0 = 3.93 * 1 = 3.93 x = 1 corresponds to 1800 3.93*(1.35)^1 = 3.93 * 1.35 = 5.31 Fine. Now just answer all the question in 60 x = 2 corresponds to 1810 3.93*(1.35)^2 = 3.93 * 1.82 = 7.16

OpenStudy (tkhunny):

Note: x is NOT just "decades". It is "decades since 1790". Please be careful to write a good and complete definition so that you are not confused the next time you look at it.

OpenStudy (firejay5):

the answer is right correct

OpenStudy (firejay5):

Do you use the answer from 59 to help answer #60

OpenStudy (tkhunny):

?? What answer? You seem to have a good model for problem 59, if you remember what it is. Problem #60 requires you to explore it's properties for other years. The correct answer is your exploration. Explore! 59 is the model building. 60 is the exploration of that model that you just built.

OpenStudy (firejay5):

Explain easy and able to understand, not to be mean or anything.

OpenStudy (tkhunny):

I refuse to dump answers. I want you to stretch your mind and learn the material. I could just hand things to you, but I do not believe that will be in your best interest. Part of the study of mathematics is learning what may be a way of thinking that does not come to you naturally. It may be like learning another language. Getting your mind to think in a linear and logical manner may require more exertion than you expect. I intend to encourage that exertion.

OpenStudy (firejay5):

right, so what do you mean???

OpenStudy (tkhunny):

What do I mean about philosophy or about problems #59 and #60?

OpenStudy (tkhunny):

Past my bedtime. gtg.

OpenStudy (firejay5):

59/60

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