- Differentiation Question
An ellipsis is defined by \[\frac{ x^2 }{ 4 } + \frac{ y^2 }{ 4 }\] (i) Find the slopes of the tangents to this ellipse at x = 2. (ii) For which points (x, y) are the tangents to this ellipse parallel to the y-axis?
i thought loser had this one wrapped up
he left :'(
This is implicit differentiation no?
implicit yes :)
Heres my problem, if the equation given is x^3 + y^3 - 3xy = 0 for example, I can do everything. When given fractions I'm lost on how to start..
your equation is a circle by the way
a fraction is just "some number", a constant
My initial reaction is to find dy/dx
Arriving at a scenario where the y = y[x]^2
subbing in the given point.
\[g=\frac{ x^2 }{ 4 } + \frac{ y^2 }{ 4 }\] \[g'=\frac{ 2x }{ 4 } + \frac{ 2y }{ 4 }y'\] let x=2
ah your kidding me, that easy?
I thought you brought the 4 above the line etc
in your "ellipse"; if x=2, y = 0
if you wanted to do a quotient rule for a constant .... it wouldnt hurt nothing
\[\frac{x}{2}\to\frac{2-0(x)}{2^2}=\frac{1}{2}\]
Ah, ok. Thats fine then, and for the 2nd part?
assuming that you left out something to start with: \[\frac{x^2}{4}+\frac{y^2}{4}=1~:~ellipse\] \[x^2 + y^2 = 4~:~circle\]
either way, when x=2, y=0
Whoops sorry, the equation is equal to 2
\[g'(x,y)=\frac{ 2x }{ 4 } + \frac{ 2y }{ 4 }y'\] \[g'(2,0)=\frac{ 2(2) }{ 4 } + \frac{ 2(0) }{ 4 }y'=1\]
ifn =2, then thats really dividing by 8 1/2 + y^2/8 = 1 4 + y^2 = 8; y=+- 2
im leaving alot of details out, im assuming this makes sense :)
It does, do you mind if i throw a hard one at you? test that great brain of yours :P
I've got a big exam tomorrow, and these last couple are my only worries..
sites doing the lag thing again eh
Yeah :( Did you get the picture?
got the pic
first one, need a formula for sureface area of a sphere
I'm studying to be a biomedical engineer so as you imagine, diff/int are huge! Big exam tomorrow :)
and volume of a sphere
A = 4pir^2 V = 4/3pier^3
give me A' and V' wrt.r
A' = 8pir
V' = 4/3pi(3r^2)
mighta misspoke; leave the "wrt" undetermined at the moment so both of them pop out an r' as well
A' = 8pir r' V' = 4/3pi(3r^2) r'
we know that A' = 16, thats given we know r = 12 that means we have all we need for V'
16 = 8pi (12) r' V' = 4/3pi(3(12)^2) r'
\[\frac{ dA }{ dt } = \frac{ dA }{ dr } . \frac{ dr }{ dt }\] ?
thats one way to sprain your wrist on it yes :)
i get 96 if my head math is good
so once dA/dt was found, i can then go and say dV/dt = dv/dr x dr/dt?
yes
solve dv/dt at r = 12 ?
yes
and solve r' for r=12 and A' = 16
it we implicit for r(t) \[A = 4pi~r^2\] \[A' = 8pi~ r~r'\to r'=\frac{A'}{8pi~r}\] \[V=\frac43pi~r^3\] \[V'=4pi~r^2~r'\] \[V'=4pi~r^2~\frac{A'}{8pi~r}\] \[V'=~r~\frac{A'}{2}\]
therefore: V' = 12(8) = 96
for the next one we need volume of a cylindar \[V = pi~r^2h\] \[V = 2pi~rr'~h+pi~r^2h~'\] we are given r' = 2, h'=-5 r =8, h =12 \[V = 2pi~8(2)(12)+pi~(8)^2(-5)\]
forgot me tick on the V' :)
might need to convert mm and cm to macth tho
1 cm = 100 mm so for smaller values we can convert r' = .02, and h' = -.05
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