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OpenStudy (asylum15):

- Differentiation Question

OpenStudy (asylum15):

An ellipsis is defined by \[\frac{ x^2 }{ 4 } + \frac{ y^2 }{ 4 }\] (i) Find the slopes of the tangents to this ellipse at x = 2. (ii) For which points (x, y) are the tangents to this ellipse parallel to the y-axis?

OpenStudy (amistre64):

i thought loser had this one wrapped up

OpenStudy (asylum15):

he left :'(

OpenStudy (asylum15):

This is implicit differentiation no?

OpenStudy (amistre64):

implicit yes :)

OpenStudy (asylum15):

Heres my problem, if the equation given is x^3 + y^3 - 3xy = 0 for example, I can do everything. When given fractions I'm lost on how to start..

OpenStudy (amistre64):

your equation is a circle by the way

OpenStudy (amistre64):

a fraction is just "some number", a constant

OpenStudy (asylum15):

My initial reaction is to find dy/dx

OpenStudy (asylum15):

Arriving at a scenario where the y = y[x]^2

OpenStudy (asylum15):

subbing in the given point.

OpenStudy (amistre64):

\[g=\frac{ x^2 }{ 4 } + \frac{ y^2 }{ 4 }\] \[g'=\frac{ 2x }{ 4 } + \frac{ 2y }{ 4 }y'\] let x=2

OpenStudy (asylum15):

ah your kidding me, that easy?

OpenStudy (asylum15):

I thought you brought the 4 above the line etc

OpenStudy (amistre64):

in your "ellipse"; if x=2, y = 0

OpenStudy (amistre64):

if you wanted to do a quotient rule for a constant .... it wouldnt hurt nothing

OpenStudy (amistre64):

\[\frac{x}{2}\to\frac{2-0(x)}{2^2}=\frac{1}{2}\]

OpenStudy (asylum15):

Ah, ok. Thats fine then, and for the 2nd part?

OpenStudy (amistre64):

assuming that you left out something to start with: \[\frac{x^2}{4}+\frac{y^2}{4}=1~:~ellipse\] \[x^2 + y^2 = 4~:~circle\]

OpenStudy (amistre64):

either way, when x=2, y=0

OpenStudy (asylum15):

Whoops sorry, the equation is equal to 2

OpenStudy (amistre64):

\[g'(x,y)=\frac{ 2x }{ 4 } + \frac{ 2y }{ 4 }y'\] \[g'(2,0)=\frac{ 2(2) }{ 4 } + \frac{ 2(0) }{ 4 }y'=1\]

OpenStudy (amistre64):

ifn =2, then thats really dividing by 8 1/2 + y^2/8 = 1 4 + y^2 = 8; y=+- 2

OpenStudy (amistre64):

im leaving alot of details out, im assuming this makes sense :)

OpenStudy (asylum15):

It does, do you mind if i throw a hard one at you? test that great brain of yours :P

OpenStudy (asylum15):

I've got a big exam tomorrow, and these last couple are my only worries..

OpenStudy (asylum15):

OpenStudy (amistre64):

sites doing the lag thing again eh

OpenStudy (asylum15):

Yeah :( Did you get the picture?

OpenStudy (amistre64):

got the pic

OpenStudy (amistre64):

first one, need a formula for sureface area of a sphere

OpenStudy (asylum15):

I'm studying to be a biomedical engineer so as you imagine, diff/int are huge! Big exam tomorrow :)

OpenStudy (amistre64):

and volume of a sphere

OpenStudy (asylum15):

A = 4pir^2 V = 4/3pier^3

OpenStudy (amistre64):

give me A' and V' wrt.r

OpenStudy (asylum15):

A' = 8pir

OpenStudy (asylum15):

V' = 4/3pi(3r^2)

OpenStudy (amistre64):

mighta misspoke; leave the "wrt" undetermined at the moment so both of them pop out an r' as well

OpenStudy (amistre64):

A' = 8pir r' V' = 4/3pi(3r^2) r'

OpenStudy (amistre64):

we know that A' = 16, thats given we know r = 12 that means we have all we need for V'

OpenStudy (amistre64):

16 = 8pi (12) r' V' = 4/3pi(3(12)^2) r'

OpenStudy (asylum15):

\[\frac{ dA }{ dt } = \frac{ dA }{ dr } . \frac{ dr }{ dt }\] ?

OpenStudy (amistre64):

thats one way to sprain your wrist on it yes :)

OpenStudy (amistre64):

i get 96 if my head math is good

OpenStudy (asylum15):

so once dA/dt was found, i can then go and say dV/dt = dv/dr x dr/dt?

OpenStudy (amistre64):

yes

OpenStudy (asylum15):

solve dv/dt at r = 12 ?

OpenStudy (amistre64):

yes

OpenStudy (amistre64):

and solve r' for r=12 and A' = 16

OpenStudy (amistre64):

it we implicit for r(t) \[A = 4pi~r^2\] \[A' = 8pi~ r~r'\to r'=\frac{A'}{8pi~r}\] \[V=\frac43pi~r^3\] \[V'=4pi~r^2~r'\] \[V'=4pi~r^2~\frac{A'}{8pi~r}\] \[V'=~r~\frac{A'}{2}\]

OpenStudy (amistre64):

therefore: V' = 12(8) = 96

OpenStudy (amistre64):

for the next one we need volume of a cylindar \[V = pi~r^2h\] \[V = 2pi~rr'~h+pi~r^2h~'\] we are given r' = 2, h'=-5 r =8, h =12 \[V = 2pi~8(2)(12)+pi~(8)^2(-5)\]

OpenStudy (amistre64):

forgot me tick on the V' :)

OpenStudy (amistre64):

might need to convert mm and cm to macth tho

OpenStudy (amistre64):

1 cm = 100 mm so for smaller values we can convert r' = .02, and h' = -.05

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