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OpenStudy (jack1):

would really love a hand with simultaneous equations please...?

OpenStudy (jack1):

100 = (150 +120 i)x - 150y -400y 0 = (350 -208.33 i)y + 400y -150x

OpenStudy (jack1):

need to work out what x and y equal i is a constant, so doesnt need to be solved

OpenStudy (whpalmer4):

What do you get if you expand all of the equations completely and collect like terms?

OpenStudy (jack1):

that is the collected terms, it was 15 different components, so that's pretty much the shortened version 100 = (150 +120 i)x - 550y 0 = (350 -208.33 i)y + 400y -150x

OpenStudy (whpalmer4):

Well, I see multiple y terms in the second equation :-)

OpenStudy (jack1):

100 = 150x +120 ix - 550y 0 = 750y -208.33 iy -150x

OpenStudy (jack1):

i= sqrt -1

OpenStudy (whpalmer4):

\[100 = (150 + 120i)x - 550y\]\[0=-150x + (750-208.33i)y\] agreed?

OpenStudy (jack1):

sure

OpenStudy (whpalmer4):

Okay, now you can use substitution or elimination to solve it, just as if you had something like \[1 = 3x - 4y\]\[0=2x+3y\]

OpenStudy (whpalmer4):

The algebra will definitely be a bit messier, though :-)

OpenStudy (whpalmer4):

I might try solving the second equation for x in terms of y, and substituting that in the first equation, then solving for y.

OpenStudy (jack1):

what if i put it another way: my answer was x=.4479 - .8574i and y =.1274 - .1361i 1. is this correct? (as my scientific calculator spat out 5 possible answers as it contains a complex number) 2. could you explain how to convert this to polar form?

OpenStudy (whpalmer4):

Those answers look correct for the first 3 decimals, at least.

OpenStudy (whpalmer4):

Convert the answer to polar form, or the problem?

OpenStudy (jack1):

the answer, or either i'm not really clear on how to convert a vector from Rectangular form to Polar

OpenStudy (whpalmer4):

To convert a complex number \(a+bi\) to polar form, you need to find the magnitude \(r\) and the angle \(\theta\). |dw:1369411400235:dw|

OpenStudy (whpalmer4):

\[r = \sqrt{a^2+b^2}\] \[\theta = \tan^{-1}(\frac{b}{a})\]

OpenStudy (whpalmer4):

you may need to adjust \(\theta\) to put it in the right quadrant...

OpenStudy (jack1):

that's awesome, cheers for that man! That is exactly what I need to do these

OpenStudy (jack1):

adjust... how so wouldn't the fact that either b or a is -ve place it in the right quadrant automatically...?

OpenStudy (whpalmer4):

Yeah, probably, I'm just trying to protect myself from malpractice lawsuits :-) When in doubt, make a sketch and verify that the answer you got makes sense.

OpenStudy (whpalmer4):

Actually, no, it doesn't always do it automatically. consider the case where both a and b are negative...how does arctan know the difference from identical a, b that are positive?

OpenStudy (whpalmer4):

similarly, how does it distinguish between -a +b and +a -b?

OpenStudy (jack1):

good call, will sketch as i go that would mirror a lot...

OpenStudy (whpalmer4):

What's the context in which you're doing these? Math, physics, engineering?

OpenStudy (jack1):

all of the above, it's an engineering course, subject is physics, which is just sciencey maths

OpenStudy (jack1):

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OpenStudy (whpalmer4):

You'll be seeing a lot of these in your future, I predict :-) Electrical engineers often use \(j\) instead of \(i\)

OpenStudy (jack1):

this is something i vaguely remember from back when i was a school... it doesn't come into the polar equations does it...?

OpenStudy (jack1):

cheers for the help man, I'm going to head and practice q's

OpenStudy (whpalmer4):

I don't recall seeing that before, but google is our friend :-) the mnemonic is apparently "All Students Take Calculus" and it should be |dw:1369412247417:dw| See this page: http://mathonweb.com/help_ebook/html/cast.htm

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