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OpenStudy (anonymous):

Explain what derivatives are, and give a simple example of one

OpenStudy (zzr0ck3r):

derivatives are slopes, at a point. y = 1 slope = 0 derivative of 1 = 0

OpenStudy (anonymous):

A derivative is the infinitesimal rate of change at a certain point. For example in the equation y=x^2. The derivative is y' = 2x. Which means if we plug in x=1, 2(1)=2 which means the slope of the line y=x^2 at x=1 is 2.

OpenStudy (zzr0ck3r):

hmm derivatives are not always infinitesimal, but what they call dx is.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Is it the slope of anything, or just curves?

OpenStudy (zzr0ck3r):

in 2d it is a slope of the curve given its differentiable there.

OpenStudy (zzr0ck3r):

at that point.

OpenStudy (zzr0ck3r):

note to talk about rate of change we need change in something / change in something if we are talking about a point then that change in something is 0 we cant divide by 0 so that change in something cant be 0 derivatives deal with taking care of that problem by considering very very very small change

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Also the limit has to exist for the derivative to exist. For example at the changing point of an absolute value function there is no derivative because there is no slope at corners.

OpenStudy (zzr0ck3r):

but this small change is not the derivative

OpenStudy (anonymous):

can you tell me what must be learned before actually getting into the subject of derivatives?

OpenStudy (zzr0ck3r):

nothing really, to understand it. But algebra before you can play with it

OpenStudy (anonymous):

ok, thanks

OpenStudy (zzr0ck3r):

how do we find slope?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

of what?

OpenStudy (zzr0ck3r):

rise/over run right?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

of line is y1-y2/x1-x2

OpenStudy (zzr0ck3r):

right

OpenStudy (zzr0ck3r):

that is two points

OpenStudy (zzr0ck3r):

now do the same thing with one point

OpenStudy (zzr0ck3r):

x-x/y-y right?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

In short derivative is the gradient. When speaking about functions the derivative describes the rate at which the variable x changes as variable y changes.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

with 1 point, wouldnt it be y1/x1?

OpenStudy (zzr0ck3r):

actually gradient points in the "fastest" derivative, they are not the same.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

The gradient is none existent because you are talking about 1 point. There is no change

OpenStudy (zzr0ck3r):

1 point, wouldnt it be y1/x1?

OpenStudy (zzr0ck3r):

with one point we are finding the change in that point so we have y_1 - y_1/x_1 - x_1 = 0/0

OpenStudy (zzr0ck3r):

calculus deals with that problem:)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

As i have already mentioned above, the derivative is the rate of change. If you have 1 point there is no change.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

oh thats what you meant, ok so its always 0/0, because there cannot be a change if another point isn;t involved, thats what i think

OpenStudy (zzr0ck3r):

you most certainly can have a derivative at one point

OpenStudy (anonymous):

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