PLEASE HELP!!!! FAST I need the vertical + horizontal asymptotes for f(x)=2x^2+7x-15/5x+x^2
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
HA y=2 and va x-0 and x=5
jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):
H.A.: y = 2, correct
V.A. x = 0, correct
V.A. x = -5 ... notice how it's negative
jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):
x^2 + 5x = 0
x(x+5) = 0
x = 0 or x+5 = 0
x = 0 or x = -5
so that explains why it's x = -5 and not x = 5
OpenStudy (anonymous):
thank you so much!!! I wrote the wrong this on here haha
jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):
wrote what wrong
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
I need to check my work on my last problem. Would you be able to check it? I did it a million times today and took me hours/
jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):
sure go for it
OpenStudy (anonymous):
OpenStudy (anonymous):
a-f
OpenStudy (anonymous):
Thank you so much... Literally working on it for hours
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jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):
ok post what you did
OpenStudy (anonymous):
I got a cp of 6.1 about and concavities of all positive and increasing after 6.1 and decreasing before 6.1.
OpenStudy (anonymous):
aan IP at 4
OpenStudy (anonymous):
second derivative is 12x^2(x-4)
OpenStudy (anonymous):
I couldn't synthetically divide it
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
stressing me out
jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):
ok one sec
OpenStudy (anonymous):
kk
jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):
f(x) = x^4-8x^3-16x+5
f ' (x) = 4x^3-24x^2-16
f '' (x) = 12x^2-48x
jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):
The critical point is roughly 6.10724315175795
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jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):
you get this from solving 4x^3-24x^2-16 = 0 for x
jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):
f(x) is increasing on the interval (6.10724315175795, infinity)
this is a rough approximation of course
jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):
f(x) is decreasing on the interval (-infinity, 6.10724315175795)
and both of these facts can be seen from a graph or by using the first derivative test
OpenStudy (anonymous):
wait..when I drew the graph it looked concave up
jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):
it is concave up
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jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):
well for the most part it is
OpenStudy (anonymous):
oh lol the negative infinity one confused me
jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):
actually it's concave down on the interval (0,4)
OpenStudy (anonymous):
it passes through 0,$?
jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):
12x^2-48x = 0
12x(x-4) = 0
12x = 0 or x-4 = 0
x = 0 or x = 4
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
0,4
jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):
the possible inflection points are at x = 0 and x = 4
OpenStudy (anonymous):
but only 4 works right
OpenStudy (anonymous):
where is it concave up and down between what intervals
jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):
Now see if there is a sign change as you move through x = 0
f '' (x) = 12x^2-48x
f '' (-1) = 12(-1)^2-48(-1)
f '' (-1) = 60
f '' (x) = 12x^2-48x
f '' (1) = 12(1)^2-48(1)
f '' (1) = -36
this means that x = 0 is definitely an inflection point
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
what are the concavity intervals
jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):
notice how f '' (-1) = 60 is positive, so it's concave up on (-infinity, 0)
jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):
f '' (1) = -36 is negative, so it's concave down on (0,4)
jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):
now plug in a value to the right of x = 4
f '' (x) = 12x^2-48x
f '' (5) = 12(5)^2-48(5)
f '' (5) = 60
f '' is once again positive, so this confirms the other point of inflection is at x = 4 and it's concave up on (4, infinity)
OpenStudy (anonymous):
the confusing part was the 0,4
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jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):
that's the interval where f is concave down
OpenStudy (anonymous):
is the graph rising from 6.1,infinity
jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):
yeah it's increasing on this interval
OpenStudy (anonymous):
and decreasing from -infinity,6.1
jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):
yep
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
would you be able to draw the graph for me lol. I have ridiculous numbers
OpenStudy (anonymous):
I plugged 6.1 in and got like -315
OpenStudy (anonymous):
I need the graph and the range and I'll be ok
jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):
jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):
posted the graph
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jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):
that's the graph of f(x)
jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):
the range will be the set of y values that are larger than the smallest possible y value (ie the absolute min)
OpenStudy (anonymous):
can you help me lable this.. my teacher wants certain points on here and I didn't understand how he got them
OpenStudy (anonymous):
I am taking a month long course it is so accelerated for me
jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):
well you got the critical point already right?
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
yup
jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):
the critical point for f(x)
OpenStudy (anonymous):
yes
jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):
the other two points are the inflection points
jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):
to find them, you plug in x = 0 and x = 4 into f(x)
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
I got 0,-5 but it is not on the graph
jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):
it should be (0,5)
jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):
not sure how you got -5
OpenStudy (anonymous):
I mean positive 5
OpenStudy (anonymous):
I plugged 6.1 in and got neg 523
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jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):
-523.8639, so close enough I guess
OpenStudy (anonymous):
the inflection points I am confused with
jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):
well you found one and that was (0,5)
jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):
the other is found when you plug in x = 4
OpenStudy (anonymous):
is it ok if it is not on my graph?
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
oh wait nvm
OpenStudy (anonymous):
4,-315
OpenStudy (anonymous):
and the range?
OpenStudy (anonymous):
thanks for the help
jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):
plug in x = 6.1 to get the smallest possible y value (ie the absolute min)
this will help find the range
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
-524.8,infinity?
OpenStudy (anonymous):
523
jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):
more like -523.8639 actually, but you get the idea
jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):
so the range is [-523.8639, infinity)
jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):
I guess -523.86 is more accurate
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
thanks a bunch man. why did my teacher give me such a tough example?
OpenStudy (anonymous):
haha
jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):
that's what some teachers do
OpenStudy (anonymous):
I really appreciate the patience.
jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):
and that's a good thing sometimes, you want your teacher to make you work hard
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jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):
yw
OpenStudy (anonymous):
should I put a place marker near 0,8?
jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):
what do you mean
OpenStudy (anonymous):
the graph appears to be going around there or should I ignor it
jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):
not sure what you mean
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
the right half of the graph crosses x=8 something in the drawing
OpenStudy (anonymous):
I might be over analyzing this
jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):
what about it?
OpenStudy (anonymous):
should I put a point there or leave it alone
jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):
hmm it doesn't explicitly say "find the roots of f(x)", so I would say no
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