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OpenStudy (anonymous):

solve

OpenStudy (anonymous):

its ax^2- (a-1) x +3=0

OpenStudy (anonymous):

is it (a+1)x ? because (a+1) doesn't make much sense to me

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yes its (a+1) x i wrote this equation again plse have a look

OpenStudy (anonymous):

okay just give me few minutes to solve

OpenStudy (anonymous):

dude you just told me it's (a+1)x and your equation says (a-1)x which one of them ?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

equation is ax^2-(a+1)x+3=0

OpenStudy (anonymous):

plse i need it urgent

OpenStudy (anonymous):

@amistre64 i need ur help

OpenStudy (amistre64):

im in no big rush ... but i would just solve for "x" using the quadratic formula

OpenStudy (amistre64):

\[x = \frac{-(a+1)\pm\sqrt{(a+1)^2-4(3a)}}{2a}\] \[1<\frac{-(a+1)\pm\sqrt{(a+1)^2-4(3a)}}{2a}<2\]

OpenStudy (amistre64):

the - in front might be bad since i think you want this at -(a+1)x to start with

OpenStudy (amistre64):

let (a+1)/2a = 1.5 to estabish an axis of symmetry

OpenStudy (amistre64):

then the sqrt/2a part just has to be less then .5

OpenStudy (loser66):

to get the function has root between 1 and 2 so f(1) <0 and f(2) >0 or vice versa. solve for a.

OpenStudy (amistre64):

\[\frac{a+1}{2a}=\frac{1+2}{2}\]\[0\le\frac{\sqrt{(a+1)^2-4(3a)}}{2a}<\frac12\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

so far I just tried to find the values for a that centres x in the stated domain solve for x=2 you see a=-1/2 I have to study the behaviour of the function to see the other endpoint since f(1) does not equal 0

OpenStudy (amistre64):

if the end points can equal 1 and 2, then that other part is <= 1/2

OpenStudy (loser66):

f(1) =4 we don't have a there, so it is always positive. Therefore, f(2) must be negative.

OpenStudy (asnaseer):

I believe @Loser66 has the most elegant solution to this.

OpenStudy (loser66):

@asnaseer thnks

OpenStudy (asnaseer):

yw :)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

vat is the value of a

OpenStudy (amistre64):

my attempts keep coming up as no solution ..

OpenStudy (amistre64):

\[(a+1)^2-4(3a)\ge0\] \[(a^2+2a+1-12a)\ge0\] \[(a^2-10+1)\ge0\]\[<---(5-2\sqrt6)~~~~~~(5+2\sqrt6)--->\] in order to have any real roots

OpenStudy (amistre64):

but then for those values, i cant get a suitable "a" to stay within 1 and 2

OpenStudy (anonymous):

so far I think the maximum value that a can take is -1/2 still I have to evaluate the minimum, I'm trying to find the closest point to the point (1,0) but probalbly I'll use optimization, is that okay with you?

OpenStudy (amistre64):

\[1<\frac{a+1}{2a}<2\] \[2<\frac{a+1}{a}<4\] \[2<1+\frac{1}{a}<4\] \[1<\frac{1}{a}<3\]\[\frac13<a<1\]

OpenStudy (amistre64):

unless a can be some complex values ... i dont see how a can be less than 1/3 and greater then 1; at the same time being between 1.3 and 1

OpenStudy (asnaseer):

@Loser66 has already indicated how to obtain the solution.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

dude @asnaseer can you give a set of numbers please -_-

OpenStudy (asnaseer):

I believe the aim of this site is to help teach - not just provide answers. @Loser66 has given sufficient information to @msingh for him to be able to solve it.

OpenStudy (amistre64):

there are no real roots for the set: a = \((5-2\sqrt6,5+2\sqrt6)\) but if we have real roots, then they are not between 1 and 2

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I dont think it's sufficient Mr @asnaseer ,if you can find an answer I will be so glad to hear that

OpenStudy (amistre64):

is the solution set for only one root being between 1 and 2?

OpenStudy (asnaseer):

to quote from what @Loser66 said above: f(1) =4 we don't have a there, so it is always positive. Therefore, f(2) must be negative. therefore you just need to find the value for 'a' that makes f(2) < 0

OpenStudy (anonymous):

@Loser66 u told f(1) <0 4<0 and f(2) >0 a>-1/2 acc. to u , i got this

OpenStudy (asnaseer):

you have the inequalities the wrong way around @msingh

OpenStudy (anonymous):

i am confused how to start it with can u guide me

OpenStudy (asnaseer):

@Loser66 showed that f(1)=4 therefore we know that f(1) > 0 for any value of 'a' agreed?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

it means 4>0

OpenStudy (asnaseer):

yes

OpenStudy (asnaseer):

now, for there to be a root between 1 and 2, the sign of f(x) must change between x=1 and x=2. we just showed that f(1) > 0, therefore, for there to be a root between x=1 and x=2, f(2) must be negative. agreed?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yes

OpenStudy (asnaseer):

therefore, you just need to solve for 'a' such that:\[f(2)\lt0\]if the root is supposed to INCLUDE the end points, then you need to solve for 'a' such that:\[f(2)\le0\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

i got f(2) = -1/2

OpenStudy (asnaseer):

how?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

srry f(2) = 2a+1

OpenStudy (asnaseer):

yes - that is better

OpenStudy (asnaseer):

therefore solve:\[2a+1\lt0\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

a>-1/2

OpenStudy (asnaseer):

you have the inequality the wrong way around again

OpenStudy (anonymous):

a<-1/2

OpenStudy (asnaseer):

yes :)

OpenStudy (asnaseer):

so ANY value of 'a' that is less than minus one half will satisfy the conditions set in the problem.

OpenStudy (amistre64):

i assume im reading the question wrong ... \[0=ax^2-(a+1)x+3~:~s.t~~~1<(x_1~and~x_2)<2\] or \[0=ax^2-(a+1)x+3~:~s.t~~~1<(x_1~or~x_2)<2\]

OpenStudy (asnaseer):

I read it as the 2nd form

OpenStudy (amistre64):

ahh, the second one is doable; i cant see any solution to the first one

OpenStudy (anonymous):

hmm, that's the secret then, he doesn't need both roots inside the interval.. that makes me feel a little rude after knowing that :( , I'm sorry anyways @asnaseer

OpenStudy (asnaseer):

np - I didn't take any of your responses as being rude! I assumed you were just asking for clarification. :)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

that's cool then :)

OpenStudy (asnaseer):

yw my friend! :)

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