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its ax^2- (a-1) x +3=0
is it (a+1)x ? because (a+1) doesn't make much sense to me
yes its (a+1) x i wrote this equation again plse have a look
okay just give me few minutes to solve
dude you just told me it's (a+1)x and your equation says (a-1)x which one of them ?
equation is ax^2-(a+1)x+3=0
plse i need it urgent
@amistre64 i need ur help
im in no big rush ... but i would just solve for "x" using the quadratic formula
\[x = \frac{-(a+1)\pm\sqrt{(a+1)^2-4(3a)}}{2a}\] \[1<\frac{-(a+1)\pm\sqrt{(a+1)^2-4(3a)}}{2a}<2\]
the - in front might be bad since i think you want this at -(a+1)x to start with
let (a+1)/2a = 1.5 to estabish an axis of symmetry
then the sqrt/2a part just has to be less then .5
to get the function has root between 1 and 2 so f(1) <0 and f(2) >0 or vice versa. solve for a.
\[\frac{a+1}{2a}=\frac{1+2}{2}\]\[0\le\frac{\sqrt{(a+1)^2-4(3a)}}{2a}<\frac12\]
so far I just tried to find the values for a that centres x in the stated domain solve for x=2 you see a=-1/2 I have to study the behaviour of the function to see the other endpoint since f(1) does not equal 0
if the end points can equal 1 and 2, then that other part is <= 1/2
f(1) =4 we don't have a there, so it is always positive. Therefore, f(2) must be negative.
I believe @Loser66 has the most elegant solution to this.
@asnaseer thnks
yw :)
vat is the value of a
my attempts keep coming up as no solution ..
\[(a+1)^2-4(3a)\ge0\] \[(a^2+2a+1-12a)\ge0\] \[(a^2-10+1)\ge0\]\[<---(5-2\sqrt6)~~~~~~(5+2\sqrt6)--->\] in order to have any real roots
but then for those values, i cant get a suitable "a" to stay within 1 and 2
so far I think the maximum value that a can take is -1/2 still I have to evaluate the minimum, I'm trying to find the closest point to the point (1,0) but probalbly I'll use optimization, is that okay with you?
\[1<\frac{a+1}{2a}<2\] \[2<\frac{a+1}{a}<4\] \[2<1+\frac{1}{a}<4\] \[1<\frac{1}{a}<3\]\[\frac13<a<1\]
unless a can be some complex values ... i dont see how a can be less than 1/3 and greater then 1; at the same time being between 1.3 and 1
@Loser66 has already indicated how to obtain the solution.
dude @asnaseer can you give a set of numbers please -_-
I believe the aim of this site is to help teach - not just provide answers. @Loser66 has given sufficient information to @msingh for him to be able to solve it.
there are no real roots for the set: a = \((5-2\sqrt6,5+2\sqrt6)\) but if we have real roots, then they are not between 1 and 2
I dont think it's sufficient Mr @asnaseer ,if you can find an answer I will be so glad to hear that
is the solution set for only one root being between 1 and 2?
to quote from what @Loser66 said above: f(1) =4 we don't have a there, so it is always positive. Therefore, f(2) must be negative. therefore you just need to find the value for 'a' that makes f(2) < 0
@Loser66 u told f(1) <0 4<0 and f(2) >0 a>-1/2 acc. to u , i got this
you have the inequalities the wrong way around @msingh
i am confused how to start it with can u guide me
@Loser66 showed that f(1)=4 therefore we know that f(1) > 0 for any value of 'a' agreed?
it means 4>0
yes
now, for there to be a root between 1 and 2, the sign of f(x) must change between x=1 and x=2. we just showed that f(1) > 0, therefore, for there to be a root between x=1 and x=2, f(2) must be negative. agreed?
yes
therefore, you just need to solve for 'a' such that:\[f(2)\lt0\]if the root is supposed to INCLUDE the end points, then you need to solve for 'a' such that:\[f(2)\le0\]
i got f(2) = -1/2
how?
srry f(2) = 2a+1
yes - that is better
therefore solve:\[2a+1\lt0\]
a>-1/2
you have the inequality the wrong way around again
a<-1/2
yes :)
so ANY value of 'a' that is less than minus one half will satisfy the conditions set in the problem.
i assume im reading the question wrong ... \[0=ax^2-(a+1)x+3~:~s.t~~~1<(x_1~and~x_2)<2\] or \[0=ax^2-(a+1)x+3~:~s.t~~~1<(x_1~or~x_2)<2\]
I read it as the 2nd form
ahh, the second one is doable; i cant see any solution to the first one
hmm, that's the secret then, he doesn't need both roots inside the interval.. that makes me feel a little rude after knowing that :( , I'm sorry anyways @asnaseer
np - I didn't take any of your responses as being rude! I assumed you were just asking for clarification. :)
that's cool then :)
yw my friend! :)
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