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OpenStudy (anonymous):

x*(-x) = 0 right?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

@dan815 @Euler271

OpenStudy (phi):

x*x*-1 can be written as -x^2 it is only 0 if x is 0

OpenStudy (anonymous):

well im asking because this is my question: (x-3)(x+3) +3y - x + 2 = (x-2)\[(x-3)(x+3) +3y - x + 2 = (x-2)^{2}+y\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

ignore that first thing :)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

and im eliminating the brackets now...

OpenStudy (anonymous):

so far i got 2x+3x+3xy and now im stuck

OpenStudy (phi):

what are you solving for ? the variable y ?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

x and y

OpenStudy (anonymous):

so could you help me get rid of the brackets please? @phi

OpenStudy (phi):

you are confusing me. you can solve for 2 variables only if you have 2 equations do you have 2 equations ?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

all i want to do for now, is get rid of the brackets :)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

\[(x-3)(x+3) +3y - x + 2 = (x-2)^{2}+y\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

for that

OpenStudy (phi):

you can multiply them people use FOIL

OpenStudy (phi):

(x-3)(x+3) = x^2 - 9

OpenStudy (anonymous):

im doing it a different way.. x*x x*3 x*3y x*-x x*2

OpenStudy (anonymous):

well that is a little long...

OpenStudy (anonymous):

how can i use FOIL for this?

OpenStudy (phi):

(x+3)(x-3) First: x*x or x^2 Outer x*-3 or -3x Inner: 3x Last: 3*-3 = -9 add up to get x^2 -3x+3x -9 -3x +3x is 0, so you can simplify to x^2 - 9

OpenStudy (phi):

though people memorize that (a+b)(a-b)= a^2 - b^2 that formula works for (x+3)(x-3) they also use that formula to factor a^2 - b^2 to get (a+b)(a-b)...

OpenStudy (anonymous):

hm okay so now i got x^2-9+3y-x+2=(x-2)^2+y how do i get rid of the second bracket now?

OpenStudy (phi):

same way... (x-2)^2 is the same as (x-2)(x-2) use FOIL: x^2 -2x -2x +4 or x^2 -4x +4

OpenStudy (anonymous):

oh okayyyy :)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

x^2-9+3y-x+2=x^2-4x +4+y

OpenStudy (anonymous):

so this is how it should look like?

OpenStudy (phi):

yes but you can simplify it. It will turn into an equation for a line

OpenStudy (anonymous):

simplified it should look like this? -9+2y+2=-3x+4

OpenStudy (phi):

you can combine all the numbers

OpenStudy (anonymous):

i dont understand... i am wrong?

OpenStudy (phi):

you are correct. but -9 +2 is -7 if you add 7 to both sides you get -9+2y+2=-3x+4 2y - 7 = -3x +4 2y = -3x + 11 if you now divide by 2 you get y = (-3/2) x + 11/2 which is the equation of a line with slope -3/2 and y-intercept of 11/2

OpenStudy (anonymous):

but you added =7 to the first equation 2 times and to the second once... you can do that?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

+7

OpenStudy (anonymous):

sorry

OpenStudy (phi):

I was not clear. I meant we start with what you found -9+2y+2=-3x+4 I then simplified -9 + 2 to get -7 on the left side 2y - 7 = -3x + 4 now add 7 to both sides to get 2y = -3x +11 and finally, divide both sides by 2 y = (-3/2) x + 11/2

OpenStudy (anonymous):

ahh now i see :)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

so 2/2 = 1 = y

OpenStudy (phi):

yes, on the left side of the equation

OpenStudy (phi):

but I would say 2y/2 = (2/2) * y = 1* y = y

OpenStudy (anonymous):

i dont see how you got (-3/2) though

OpenStudy (anonymous):

ohhh im sorry, i do

OpenStudy (phi):

\[\frac{ 2y}{2} = \frac{-3x +11}{2} \]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

nevermind, silly mistake

OpenStudy (anonymous):

-3/2 = 0.6

OpenStudy (anonymous):

11/2 = 5.5

OpenStudy (anonymous):

-3/2 = -0.6

OpenStudy (phi):

-3/2 is -1.5 but people often leave the answer as a fraction

OpenStudy (anonymous):

oh, okay

OpenStudy (anonymous):

y= 1.5x+5.5

OpenStudy (anonymous):

y=3x

OpenStudy (anonymous):

is that right?

OpenStudy (phi):

y= -1.5x + 5.5 (you lost a minus sign) that is as simple as you can get it, unless you have another equation it is the equation of a line, and all the points on the line will make your original messy equation true.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

oh but wait, i have to have a number for y and x... it dosent make sense ;/

OpenStudy (anonymous):

@phi

OpenStudy (phi):

Yes, I think you should post the original question. See if you can take a screen shot of the actual question and post it

OpenStudy (anonymous):

\[(x-3)(x+3) +3y - x + 2 = (x-2)^{2}+y\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

this was the original question :) how my teacher wrote it on the board

OpenStudy (phi):

and was there any other information? Your complicated equation simplifies to what we found y = -1.5 x + 5.5 but to find a particular x,y we need more information here is wolfram's solution of your equation http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=%28x-3%29%28x%2B3%29+%2B3y+-+x+%2B+2+%3D+%28x-2%29%5E2%2By

OpenStudy (anonymous):

omg im sorry, i forgot to post it!

OpenStudy (anonymous):

\[(x-3)(x+3) +3y - x + 2 = (x-2)^{2}+y-2x+y=2\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

all that time D;

OpenStudy (anonymous):

so that simplified is: -9+3y+2=-3x+4-2x=2

OpenStudy (anonymous):

right?

OpenStudy (phi):

I would pick just one expression or the other (we only need 1 more equation) For example, pick (x-3)(x+3) +3y - x + 2 = 2 or x^2 - 9 + 3y - x + 2 = 2 we can simplify

OpenStudy (anonymous):

-9+3y+2=-3x+4-2x=2

OpenStudy (anonymous):

it cant be this?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

then it would be -7+3y=x=2

OpenStudy (phi):

we already used the first two \[ (x-3)(x+3) +3y - x + 2 = (x-2)^{2}+y-2x+y \] now we want to use another equation, such as \[ (x-3)(x+3) +3y - x + 2 = 2\]

OpenStudy (phi):

We should start with the original expression... I don't see how to get to -9+3y+2=-3x+4-2x=2... that is probably not correct. so start with \[ (x-3)(x+3) +3y - x + 2 = 2 \]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

how does that = 2?

OpenStudy (phi):

your teacher wrote A=B=2 where A is one complicated thing, and B is another complicated thing. but if A=B and B=2 then A=2

OpenStudy (anonymous):

ohhh i see, okayv :)

OpenStudy (phi):

we could use the other expression... I think both are equally difficult (or easy) to solve

OpenStudy (anonymous):

so what now?

OpenStudy (phi):

can you simplify \[ (x-3)(x+3) +3y - x + 2 = 2 \] solve for 3y

OpenStudy (anonymous):

(x-3)(x+3)

OpenStudy (phi):

you should get (x-3)(x+3) + 3y - x +2 = 2 x^2 -9 +3y -x =0 3y= -x^2 + x + 9

OpenStudy (phi):

we know from the first two equations that y= -1.5x+5.5 use that in 3y= -x^2 + x + 9 3( -1.5x +5.5) = - x^2 + x +9 <-- replaced y with -1.5x+5.5 -4.5x + 16.5 = -x^2 + x + 9 <-- distribute the 3 x^2 -5.5x +7.5=0 <--- simplified multiply both sides by 2 to get 2x^2 -11x +15 = 0 factor into (2x - 5)(x-3) = 0 solve for x. You get two different answers find y using y= -1.5x+5.5

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