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OpenStudy (megannicole51):

okay so this is the last problem i need to do for my homework and i have no idea what to do for it....im guna take a screenshot and post it and hopefully someone can help:D

OpenStudy (megannicole51):

OpenStudy (anonymous):

half life of drug is \(6.8\) hours initial dose is \(55\) this can be modelled as \[\large A(t)=55\times \left(\frac{1}{2}\right)^{\frac{t}{6.8}}\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

there are other ways to do it involving \(e\) but this is simplest, since i only used the numbers given, not solving exponentials or anything complicated

OpenStudy (megannicole51):

i vote the simple way! lol

OpenStudy (anonymous):

so for A put \(t=24\) and compute

OpenStudy (megannicole51):

is A(t) the same as An?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

i am confused about \(A_n\) because that says "after the nth dose" how can you do that without knowing how often the drug is administered? i have to say also that i am not sure how to do it if we knew that, but at least we could start

OpenStudy (megannicole51):

yeah i dont understand why this question is in my homework ive never seen any of this in class

OpenStudy (anonymous):

looks like a geometric sequence problem see attached

OpenStudy (megannicole51):

i dont think ive seen this stuff before...but proceed lol....

OpenStudy (anonymous):

proceed? i have no idea how to do this, but at least we can start

OpenStudy (agent0smith):

Yeah sorry idk how to do this either... but i have seen it before...

OpenStudy (anonymous):

\(C_0=55\) for one unfortunately we need \(r=e^{-kL}\) and i don't know exactly what \(L\) is but we can find \(k\) for sure

OpenStudy (megannicole51):

proceed explaining was what i meant...oh i thought u knew lol but yeah lets start!

OpenStudy (anonymous):

oh maybe \(L\) is just \(t\)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

to find \(k\) or as they call it \(-k\) since you know the half life is \(6.8\) you can solve \[.5=e^{6.8k}\] for \(k\)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

you get the answer more or less in one step \[k=\frac{\ln(.5)}{6.8}\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

or \(-k=-.1002\) rounded

OpenStudy (megannicole51):

so what exactly are we finding right now?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

\(-k\) for the formula \[C_0e^{-kt}\]

OpenStudy (megannicole51):

and what does that formula tell me? im sorry im just trying to understand this question lol

OpenStudy (anonymous):

i am just following along with what is written in the pdf i sent looks like the concentration immediately after the nth dose is \[C_0\sum_{i=1}^{n-1}e^{-ikt}\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

we know \(C_0=55\) and we just found \(-k=-.1002\)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

and it also says the concentration immediately before taking the nth dose is \[C_0\sum_{i=0}^{n-1}e^{-ikt}\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

no i got those backwards!!

OpenStudy (anonymous):

after then nth dose start at \(i=0\)\[C_0\sum_{i=0}^{n-1}e^{-ikt}\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

before the nth dose start at \(i=1\) \[C_0\sum_{i=1}^{n-1}e^{-ikt}\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

so before is \[A_n=55\sum_{i=1}^{n-1}e^{-.1002it}\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

@agent0smith how am i doing? first time out with this

OpenStudy (anonymous):

oh i think bad, because i think you are supposed to actually add this up using the previous formulas

OpenStudy (anonymous):

ok we can do that lets do the last one first, it is easiest last one is the limit of the sum, which is \[\frac{55}{1-e^{.1002}}\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

damn i forgot the minus sign last one is \[\frac{55}{1-e^{-.1002}}\]

OpenStudy (megannicole51):

im a bit confused im not guna lie:( im sorry ur working so hard!

OpenStudy (agent0smith):

I'm not experienced enough with this to know... i think i've seen it a small handful of times, don't think i actually solved one myself though...

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yeah i am too, but if you read the pdf most of it comes from finding the sum and the limit of the sum the real work was finding \(-k\) in the model \[A(t)=55c^{-kt}\] which i avoided doing at the beginning

OpenStudy (anonymous):

i am still a little confused by this \(L\)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

before then nth dose when you sum up you get \[55\frac{e^{-1.002L}-e^{-.1102nL}}{1-e^{-.1102L}}\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

after the nth dose it is \[55\frac{1-e^{-.1102nL}}{1-e^{-.1102L}}\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

oooh it says you take it every day, and the time is measured in hours! i should learn to read

OpenStudy (anonymous):

replace all \(L\) by \(24\) then

OpenStudy (megannicole51):

okay let me try plugging that in and see if its right

OpenStudy (anonymous):

before the nth dose \[55\frac{e^{-1.002\times 24}-e^{-.1102\times 24}}{1-e^{-.1102\times 24}}\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

ooops should be an N in there

OpenStudy (megannicole51):

im not able to put an n in my answer:/

OpenStudy (anonymous):

\[\large 55\frac{e^{-1.002\times 24}-e^{-.1102\times 24n}}{1-e^{-.1102\times 24}}\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

for B it asks for \(A_n\) so you have to write in terms of \(n\)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

\[A_n=55\frac{1-e^{-2.4048n}}{1-e^{-2.4048}}\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

\(P_n\) is similar but instead of 1 you put \(e^{-2.4048}\) up top

OpenStudy (megannicole51):

its not right:(

OpenStudy (megannicole51):

actually hold on

OpenStudy (anonymous):

try this for the last one \[\frac{55}{1-e^{-2.4048}}\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

or \(60.4584\)

OpenStudy (megannicole51):

nope neither are right:(((

OpenStudy (anonymous):

sorry i am not better at this, but i am learning as i am reading maybe i can find a better source, with a worked out problem

OpenStudy (megannicole51):

omgsh dont be sorry!!! ur guess is better than mine!

OpenStudy (agent0smith):

Good job @satellite73

OpenStudy (anonymous):

ok i think i have an easier way lets answer the first question first

OpenStudy (megannicole51):

okay:D

OpenStudy (anonymous):

\[\large (\frac{1}{2})^{\frac{24}{6.8}}=.0866\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

that should answer question one try it and lets see

OpenStudy (megannicole51):

nope:(

OpenStudy (anonymous):

goddamn it , it has to be right

OpenStudy (megannicole51):

im sorry:(

OpenStudy (anonymous):

half life is \(6.8\) 24 hours later where will be \(\left(\frac{1}{2}\right)^{\frac{24}{6.8}}\) amount left

OpenStudy (anonymous):

of that much, i am certain

OpenStudy (anonymous):

can you try \(.09\) or \(.087\) maybe?

OpenStudy (megannicole51):

nope neither worked:(

OpenStudy (anonymous):

are you supposed to enter is as a fraction? does that make a difference? \(\frac{9}{100}\) or \(\frac{87}{1000}\)

OpenStudy (megannicole51):

im not sure let me try!

OpenStudy (megannicole51):

nope:(

OpenStudy (anonymous):

then i am stuck but i am 100% sure let me read the question again half life is 6.8 24 hours after 6.8 hours half is left after 13.6 hours 1/4 is left after 20.4hours 1/8 is left after 24 hours \(( \frac{1}{2})^{\frac{24}{6.8}}\) is left

OpenStudy (anonymous):

if we can't find that number, then we cannot continue sorry

OpenStudy (megannicole51):

omg that was right!!! we just kept simplifying it!

OpenStudy (anonymous):

??

OpenStudy (megannicole51):

i swear i put that in like 5 tries ago and it didnt work!

OpenStudy (megannicole51):

im so sorry!

OpenStudy (anonymous):

what worked exactly? we will work with that number

OpenStudy (megannicole51):

(1/2)^(24/6.8)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

christ on crutch

OpenStudy (megannicole51):

oh i know what i did! i put in the simplified decimal point you gave me instead of that!

OpenStudy (anonymous):

ok do you think that means we have to continue using that? or can we use a decimal approximation?

OpenStudy (megannicole51):

if the decimal approx. doesnt work then we can just enter (1/2)^(24/6.8)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

ok after the nth tables it should be \[55\frac{1-.0866^n}{1-.0866}\] if we get to use the decimal this is AFTER

OpenStudy (megannicole51):

nope it didnt

OpenStudy (megannicole51):

work

OpenStudy (anonymous):

we could try it with the power or try it with n - 1 instead of n, but i am pretty sure than n is right

OpenStudy (anonymous):

for that matter we could divide \(55\) by \( 1-.0866\)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

or put \(.9134\) in the denominator hard to know exactly what this wants

OpenStudy (anonymous):

lets try the last one i think it is \(\frac{55}{1-.0866}=60.21\) which is pretty close to what we had the other way

OpenStudy (megannicole51):

hold on ill brb

OpenStudy (megannicole51):

last one isnt right:(

OpenStudy (anonymous):

ok then i give up

OpenStudy (megannicole51):

seriously thank you so much for trying and all of your hard work! i am very grateful and appreciative!

OpenStudy (anonymous):

want to try \[\frac{55}{1-(\frac{1}{2})^{\frac{24}{6.8}}}\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yw i really don't know why that one didn't work we got essentially the same answer doing it two different ways

OpenStudy (anonymous):

or add more decimals? http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=55%2F%281-%281%2F2%29^%2824%2F6.8%29%29

OpenStudy (megannicole51):

nope for ((55)/(1-(1/2)^(24/6.8)))

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