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OpenStudy (anonymous):

Help with related rate problem please! (DISTANCE)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

OpenStudy (anonymous):

hint -> you want dy/dt so: dy/dt = (dy/dx) * (dx/dt)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

which formula do i use?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

you have dx/dt at this point and you have the point itself. that should help you

OpenStudy (anonymous):

right.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

got that.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

dy/dt = (dy/dx) * (dx/dt)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

dy/dx means derivative of y with respect to x dx/dt is given at this point

OpenStudy (anonymous):

i know.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

so?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

but what formula should i use, for example there are problems for volume, circle, triangle, etc.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

distance formula?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

ok so distance from the origin is s = sqrt(x^2 + y^2) so you want ds/dt = (ds/dy) * (dy/dt) + (ds/dx) * (dx/dt)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

what does s symbolize?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

right.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

s - distance

OpenStudy (anonymous):

so that is it. now you have it all

OpenStudy (anonymous):

thanks let me try

OpenStudy (anonymous):

you can, as well, to express y in terms of x in the distance formula and then find ds/dt = (ds/dx) * (dx/dt) it will be much more simple

OpenStudy (anonymous):

right the whole 5*sqrt(2x+2) is throwing me off though,

OpenStudy (anonymous):

im not sure if i should find the derivative of that function with respect to time.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

and the whole distance formula too.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

ok so if we do it the way i said at the end : "you can, as well, to express y in terms of x in the distance formula and then find ds/dt = (ds/dx) * (dx/dt) it will be much more simple" then you dont have to do much

OpenStudy (anonymous):

cause s=sqrt(x^2 + y^2) = sqrt(x^2+50x+50) now ds/dt = (ds/dx) * (dx/dt)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

you just need to find ds/dx

OpenStudy (anonymous):

i did this: i found s=10.0499 then i found the derivative which i got 5/sqrt(2x+2) *dx/dt

OpenStudy (anonymous):

i got ds/dt as 10 but i know it's wrong.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

you dont need to find s. you need to find ds/dx

OpenStudy (anonymous):

ds/dx=10

OpenStudy (anonymous):

what about dy?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

since we express y in terms of x we dont need to worry about it anymore.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

ok

OpenStudy (anonymous):

ds/dx = (x + 25)/sqrt(x^2+50x+50) at the point x=1 it is ds/dx = 26 / sqrt(101) so ds/dt = (26 / sqrt(101))* 4 i might done some mistake though

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yeah im not sure what's happening.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

why? s = sqrt(x^2+y^2) = sqrt(x^2+50x+50) so we want ds/dt ds/dt = ds/dx * dx/dt ds/dx = (x + 25)/sqrt(x^2+50x+50) ds/dx at this point = 26/sqrt(101) so ds/dt at this point = 26 * 4 /sqrt(101)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

plugged into the derivative x=1 and dx/dt = 4

OpenStudy (anonymous):

understand what i did ?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

sqrt(x^2+50x+50) ?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

this is the distance.. s=sqrt(x^2 + y^2) = sqrt(x^2 + 50x + 50)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

i know, how'd you come up with this sqrt(x^2+50x+50)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

x^2+50x+50)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

plugged y=5sqrt(2x+2)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

10=10

OpenStudy (anonymous):

50x+50?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

i plugged in y and x

OpenStudy (anonymous):

what ?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

y=5sqrt(2x+2) y^2 = 50x+50

OpenStudy (anonymous):

plugged y=5sqrt(2x+2). i plugged in y and x. 10=10

OpenStudy (anonymous):

so now s = sqrt(x^2 + y^2) but since y^2 = 50x+50 s = sqrt(x^2+50x+50)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

not the value of y at the point. plug y as a function of x

OpenStudy (anonymous):

okay thanks alot.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

i got it

OpenStudy (anonymous):

are you sure ?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

s = sqrt(x^2+y^2) = sqrt(x^2+50x+50) so we want ds/dt ds/dt = ds/dx * dx/dt when we calculate ds/dx we calculate is using s as a function of x. not plugging numerical values yet. ds/dx = (x + 25)/sqrt(x^2+50x+50) now plug x=1 ds/dx at this point = 26/sqrt(101) so ds/dt at this point = 26 * 4 /sqrt(101)

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