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OpenStudy (yttrium):

Another problem.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

1 2 3?

OpenStudy (yttrium):

1st

OpenStudy (anonymous):

For 1 (a) use s=ut+1/2 at^2

OpenStudy (anonymous):

where s=25m , u=0m/s , t=5s and you need to find a

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I think the answer given for 1(a) is wrong..... unit of acceleration must be m/s^2 I got 2m/s^2

OpenStudy (yttrium):

@sauravshakya , yeah, my answer is 2m/s^2 too. I can't answer letter c and d of number 1.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

For c you need to use v^2=u^2+2as

OpenStudy (anonymous):

v = final velocity = 0m/s s=18 m and u =initial velocity

OpenStudy (anonymous):

At first you need to find initial velocity (u) which is also the final velocity at the period when bus was accelerating

OpenStudy (anonymous):

u=initial velocity = root(2*2*5) = root(20) m/s

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Now, find a

OpenStudy (anonymous):

v^2=u^2+2as 0^2 =(root20)^2 +2*a*18 a=-0.56 m/s^2

OpenStudy (yttrium):

Is the given answer, incorrect? The answer should be -2.8m/s^2 right?

OpenStudy (dumbcow):

@sauravshakya , isnt u = 10 (velocity after accelerating for 5 sec at 2m/s^2)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Part B's answer's units is confusing, why is showing up in meters and not meters/sec when asking for velocity

OpenStudy (anonymous):

oh yes u=initial velocity = root(2*2*25)=10m/s

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Thanx @dumbcow I used time in place of distance

OpenStudy (yttrium):

@OrionsBelt , yeah. But my answer there is 10m/s.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Now, v^2 = u^2 +2as 0^2 = 10^2 +2*a*18

OpenStudy (yttrium):

Is it 2.78?

OpenStudy (yttrium):

@sauravshakya it is unclear. Why is is 2*a*18???

OpenStudy (yttrium):

We don't know the time yet here.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

v^2 =u^2 +2as here s=distance

OpenStudy (anonymous):

not time

OpenStudy (anonymous):

\[v _{f}^{2} = v _{0}^{2} + 2a(\Delta x)\] from what I remember

OpenStudy (anonymous):

It applies to constant acceleration, kinematics equations.

OpenStudy (yttrium):

Ohhh. Sorry. I remembered already.

OpenStudy (yttrium):

@sauravshakya , can you help me in problem 2?

OpenStudy (yttrium):

@wio, any help?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Still need help? :)

OpenStudy (yttrium):

Yes.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

|dw:1381825704525:dw| There's my cruddy drawing. Each "b" is the distance the elevator moved during the given time frame.

OpenStudy (yttrium):

Yes. Following.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

So, to start out, you can find how far the elevator went during t1 using the first equation of motion b1 = vt + 1/2 a(t1)^2 b1 = 1/2a(t^2)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Which is where you can leave it for now. Next you want to find the velocity for the second part. How would you do that?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Like, what's the normal velocity equation given acceleration and time?

OpenStudy (yttrium):

V=Vo+at?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yah. and Vo = 0, so we just have that our veloctiy \[v=at_1\] So you can use that in the second part to find b2 \[b_2 = v(t_2) = 4vt_1 = 4 (a t_1)t_1=4at_1^2\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

the only things that we're really "given" in the problem are height time, so we're trying to keep everything in terms of the thing we know and the thing we want, acceleration.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Is this making sense at all?

OpenStudy (yttrium):

Yes. I know. Let me try \[b _{3} =at _{1}^{2}\] Am I right?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

fo sho

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Then how would you find the final value of a?

OpenStudy (yttrium):

Let me try again. \[b _{1}+b _{2}+b _{3}=h\] Therefore, \[\frac{ 1 }{ 2 }at^2 +4at^2+at^2 = h\] \[a (11t^2) = 2h\] \[a =\frac{2h }{ 11t^2 }\], is my answer right? But the problem tells the answer should be a=h/5t^2

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Oh! I'm sorry. I read your b3 wrong for some reason. How did you calculate it?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

It should look quite similar to b1

OpenStudy (yttrium):

I'm not so sure how I arrived there. Can you teach me? I know not the concept, honestly. Just let me understand the concept and I think I can beat those problems down. hahaha.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

:D That's the right kind of fightin' spirit!

OpenStudy (anonymous):

So we use the first equation of motion again, \[b_3=vt_3 - \frac{1}{2}at_3^2\] this time the acceleration the same magnitude, but is negative

OpenStudy (anonymous):

We know to use that one because we know (well, kinda know. we know them in relation to each other) the velocity, acceleration and time.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

unlike b1, however, our initial velocity isn't zero. It's the velocity it was traveling during part 2

OpenStudy (yttrium):

Can you just continue it? And then I'll try to understand.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

from part 2 we know \[vt_3 = vt_1 = at_1^2\] so then we put that into the equation of motion \[b_3=at_1^2 - \frac{1}{2}at_1^2 = \frac{1}{2}at_1^2\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Then what you did before was correct. b3+b2+b1 = h

OpenStudy (yttrium):

Great! Thank you so much. I already understood this problem. :))

OpenStudy (anonymous):

@AllTehMaffs Just a question, earlier you stated \[b_3 =vt_3-\frac{ 1 }{ 2 }a _{2}^{3}\] and then you had this \[b_3 = a t_{2}^{1}-\frac{ 1 }{ 2 }a _{1}^{2}\] I understand the swapping of the 'vt_3' to 'at_2^1' but how did you get the 2nd part?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Oh nvm. got it. Thanks !

OpenStudy (anonymous):

^^

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