Each sentence contains an appositive phrase. Determine whether the appositive phrase is essential or non–essential. Mar the sentence that punctuates the appositive phrase correctly. 1.-The title the result of much hard work was one of many Ashe would win. -The title, the result of much hard work, was one of many Ashe would win. 2. -The Keystone Cops popular silent film characters debuted in 1912. -The Keystone Cops, popular silent film characters, debuted in 1912. 3. -This vacation the longest of my childhood took one month. This vacation, the longest of my childhood, took one
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Okay, got it, I'm posting the answers :) 1. Non-essential - A title usually is the result of hard work, therefore, it's not necessary to include that appositive phrase. 2. Essential - It tells you who the Keystone Corps are. Otherwise, you would have no idea. 3. I think it's non essential, but I'm not 100% on that one.
Which one do you think it is?
What's good about this is that we can probably notice an appositive in a sentence, now that we've seen some. An appositive is a good writing device to have.
Oh hold on
so for the first one the answer would be this one? The title the result of much hard work was one of many Ashe would win.
Not necessarily.
Which one do you think it is? It's not an easy question.
i thought it was the second one at first, but now im not sure..i guess its the second?..
Okay. 1. Non essential 2. Essential - Here is the sentence: "Popular silent film characters The Keystone Cops debuted in 1912." 3. Non Essential
That's what they're asking you to do, right?
LoverofWords, you're not doing anyone a favor by answering it for them. You need to help them figure it out. He's right, but that won't help you the next time you need to reason a problem out.
so for #1 is it that first sentence or the second one with the commas? @LoverofWords
If it sin't in commas, it isn't a properly written appositive.
Typically essential appositives don't need commas. That's what I was taught at least. Typically non-essential appositives do. So 1 and 3 would need commas, and I don't think 2 would.
so that means it would be non essential? @DonaldRoyMiller
@DonaldRoyMiller does that make sense to you, too?
1 and 3 would be non essential. 2 would be essential, therefore, it would not need commas.
I'm still learning this stuff myself. I didn't know that. (I'm taking your word for it, for now)
but 1 and 3 would need commas.
I see I have some homework of my own to do. Thanks for the info.
Yep! I hope that's how your teachers are teaching, too.
I'm out of High School and college. Evidently, they failed miserable. ;)
you guys are awesome thankyou so so so much you have no idea how stressed i am...do you think you could help me with one more please? 4. -Presidential candidate James Madison had won the election. -Presidential candidate, James Madison, had won the election.
i think its the second but idk for sure
I'll help you as much as you need. Hey, did you notice that loverofwords taught me something. I like it when that happens. :)
Do you think James Madison an essential or non essential appositive?
hahah yeah...learnings awesome! hahaha (: and um i think its non-essential?...
It's essential. If you just said "Presidential candidate had won the election." Would that make sense? No, because you would have no idea who won it. So, there would be no commas because it's essential.
That definitely is not an essential appositive. RIGHT, it is. I'm still not convinced he's right. I'm going to be looking it up for myself. Later on.
theres no commas???? seriously? it sounds weird if there arnt any lol
@DonaldRoyMiller you don't think it's essential?
I could be wrong about that. Good grief. :(
https://owl.english.purdue.edu/owl/resource/596/01/ Here, read this. The second section explains what I'm talking about.
so you think it is the first sentence??? @LoverofWords
Obviously, in this instance, I don't know what I'm talking about. Rats. Well, you can bet by tomorrow morning, I'll know everything about appositives!!
Yes, it's the first sentence. Read the part where it says "punctuation of appositives" in that link I posted. It's extremely helpful.
Thanks for the link.
No problem!
thankyou also, thats so strange though, you think it would be the other way around...lol or at least i would hah but im going with what you say cause you seem smart lol:P
lol I know, I had a really hard time with that, too. Then I finally beat it into my mind that it was the other way around :p. Well, thank you for the compliment :p
your so welcome! :D and thank you! hahah I lied btw i have one more i need help with that i have been stuck on :/ could you guys try and help me out?? :P C. Read and analyze "When I heard the Learn'd Astronomer" by Walt Whitman. What Romantic ideas does it express, and how does the structure of the poem reinforce the meaning? When I heard the learn’d astronomer; When the proofs, the figures, were ranged in columns before me; When I was shown the charts and the diagrams, to add, divide, and measure them; When I, sitting, heard the astronomer, where he lectured with much applause in the lecture-room, How soon, unaccountable, I became tired and sick; Till rising and gliding out, I wander’d off by myself, In the mystical moist night-air, and from time to time, Look’d up in perfect silence at the stars.
Emma, if I may call you that, I think you could greatly reduce your stress level if you do what I'm going to do, which is to study up on this. There are two reasons why that's a good idea. One is that you'll learn it so that you'll know it and won't have to struggle with it again. The second reason is that you'll convince yourself that you are up to the challenge and that when confronted with some unnkown, you'll be able to find the answer.
i agree with you i just cant seem to find the time...im always so busy so its so hard...im asking for so much help right now because im so behind...so i really appreciate you guys a lot...its really nice of yall to take your time to help me understand it. @LoverofWords @DonaldRoyMiller
My pleasure. I hope you catch up. It's less stressful that way. It's also less stressful if you have study partners. So, I don't mind helping. AND in this case, I'm helping myself also.
I'm more of a grammar specialist :p. Analyzing things isn't my specialty. I can try, but I don't know if it'll be good. @DonaldRoyMiller are you better with this type of stuff?
i would appreciate anything you guys can help me out with, it would be a huge help!(: i promise its my last question!
Oh, crap, I have an oral quiz with my teacher in an hour. Emma, can I come back after I cram for that and try to help you?
I like studying a variety of subjects. I don't really have a specialty. I do like figuring things out though. I also like writing.
sure! thanks so much for you help, your really awesome! @LoverofWords
so does that mean youll help me?...:P @DonaldRoyMiller
So, what's next on the agenda?
Okay, thanks!
no thank you!(: @LoverofWords
here ill repost it again :P @DonaldRoyMiller
C. Read and analyze "When I heard the Learn'd Astronomer" by Walt Whitman. What Romantic ideas does it express, and how does the structure of the poem reinforce the meaning? When I heard the learn’d astronomer; When the proofs, the figures, were ranged in columns before me; When I was shown the charts and the diagrams, to add, divide, and measure them; When I, sitting, heard the astronomer, where he lectured with much applause in the lecture-room, How soon, unaccountable, I became tired and sick; Till rising and gliding out, I wander’d off by myself, In the mystical moist night-air, and from time to time, Look’d up in perfect silence at the stars.
Oh, okay. The same thing: appositives?
nope lol! the one i just posted (: @DonaldRoyMiller
K :)
Do you have any idea what he means by this?-- How soon, unaccountable, I became tired and sick; Till rising and gliding out, I wander’d off by myself,
unfortunately no...i have never really been good with poems...like at all...umm i guess hes talking about trying to get away to find happiness?... hahha i have no clue
I was clueless when I first read that. That's why I potsed it. But I've been thinking about it. Don't know if I'm right, but here goes . . .
I ask myself, why would he get tired and sick? Then it seems to me it's because the knowledge is unattainable to him--or at least he thinks it is. So, when he looks up at the stars, he's awestruck. I suppose that could be the answer and how it relates to "romantic". Say, you fall in love with someone who is very great and popular, and you know you an't have him/her. That's what I'm thinking.
ok thankyou soooooo much!(: btw how does the structure of the poem reinforce the meaning?
Let's not get ahead of ourselves. Do you think I might be onto something, or do you have a diffferent take?
oh my bad.. haha umm honestly i think what your saying makes some sense, i just dont understand the first half at all...i understand that towards the end he feels happy and at peace when he looks at the stars, so maybe he is in love? i am reallllly bad at analyzing poems...
@DonaldRoyMiller
I don't think he is happy and at peace. But that's my take on it.
ok well what else do you think about the poem? like i said im awful at this kind of stuff
He doesn't stay with the rest of the people. He feels sick and slogs off somewhere to be alone. Then, alone, he looks up at the sky. I need more time to figure it out myself. Maybe if we had more people working on this--you know discussing it. Think we might be able to get some more people involved?
Well, maybe when we're through, we'll be less awful. ('Cause I ain't feelin' real competent right now.) I feel like slouching off to be by myself and look mournfully up at the sky, right about now. :)
i dont know of anyone that is good in english besides you of course haha :P do you??
@jdoe0001 could you help us out please???
No. AND obviously I have a lot to learn. I mean maybe there are some more people on here.
well i think your smart. hahah do you think you could just try and figure out how the sentence structure reinforces the poem please?
I'm smart enough. But I have more to learn. Sadly, most Americans can't locate the United States on a map. (I'm exagerating, but we Americans really aren't the brightest bulbs on the planet.)
I oposted a question asking for reinforcements. Hope someone comes along. Okay, let's look at the poem.
hahah ok thankyou (:
Hey, I wonder if this poem would be on Poets.org What's the title?
When I heard the Learn'd Astronomer
Okay. I'll look it up.
http://www.cliffsnotes.com/literature/l/leaves-of-grass/summary-and-analysis-calamus/when-i-heard-the-learnd-astronomer Here's a link that will help us out.
awesome! now all i need to figure out is that stupid sentence structure thing hah
Well, we know that you had the right idea. He was happy when he looked up. (Of course poems ought to be about how we interpret them rather than something "official" But the way they stated it does make sense to me. Better than the way I had it figured. (But still I did have a take on it, and that's important, know what I mean?)
I think it's free verse. So that helps.
so how does that reinforce the meaning of it? :/ i gotta go soon :(
I found a very good link. How much time do you have?
like 10 minuets :( does it explain the structure thing?
My computer is acting up. About all I can think of is to go about it beginning middle, and end. In the beginning, he's listening to the lecture, and maybe he's hoping he'll like the lecture. In the middle, he doesn't like the scientific approach. At the end, he prefers the sense of awe he gets from just witnessing it.
is that considered the sentence structure?
Believe me, neither one of us are going to learn the sentence structure fast. :( But, if you're really stuck, you can get some credit by your teacher for trying *something.* Wish I could have been more help. I need to learn more about this stuff. AND I WILL.
No. It's not the sentence structure. Sorry.
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