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OpenStudy (lena772):

Find the derivative by the limit process

OpenStudy (lena772):

\[f(x)=x^{3}+x^{2}\]

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

\(\large f'(x) = \lim \limits_{h \to 0} \frac{f(x+h) - f(x)}{h}\)

OpenStudy (lena772):

o.o

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

\(\large f'(x) = \lim \limits_{h \to 0} \frac{(x+h)^3+(x+h)^2 - (x^3+x^2)}{h}\)

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

simplify

OpenStudy (lena772):

why are you using h instead of a

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

good question :) there are two definitions actually. if you're comfortable wid a, lets use that oly :)

OpenStudy (lena772):

Thank you!

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

\(\large f'(x) = \lim \limits_{x \to a} \frac{f(x) - f(a)}{x-a}\)

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

Yes, dont forget the bottom x-a

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

\(\large f'(x) = \lim \limits_{x \to a} \frac{f(x) - f(a)}{x-a}\) \(\large f'(x) = \lim \limits_{x \to a} \frac{x^3+x^2 - a^3-a^2}{x-a}\)

OpenStudy (lena772):

\[\lim_{x \rightarrow a} (x ^{3}+x ^{2})-(a ^{3}+a ^{2})\div(x-a)\]

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

you can use \frac{}{} to show it in bottom :)

OpenStudy (lena772):

why do you say f ' (x) not f(x)

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

f(x) is the function, f'(x) is the \(derivative \) of funciton f(x)

OpenStudy (lena772):

\[\frac{\lim_{x \rightarrow a} (x ^{3}+x ^{2})-(a ^{3}+a ^{2}) }{ (x-a)}\]

OpenStudy (lena772):

So I should but f'(x) not lim x-->a

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

looks u nailed it ! just put the limit out of frac :) \(\large f'(x) = \lim \limits_{x \to a} \frac{f(x) - f(a)}{x-a}\) \(\large f'(x) = \lim \limits_{x \to a} \frac{x^3+x^2 - a^3-a^2}{x-a}\) \(\large f'(x) = \lim \limits_{x \to a} \frac{(x^3- a^3) + (x^2-a^2)}{x-a}\)

OpenStudy (lena772):

or that's in front of limx-->a

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

its just a notational thing :- if \(f(x)\) is the given funciton, we say \(f'(x)\) is the derivative of given function \(f(x)\)

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

and the derivative \(f'(x)\) is defined as :- \(\large f'(x) = \lim \limits_{x \to a} \frac{f(x) - f(a)}{x-a}\)

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

so you should put both f'(x) and lim x->a

OpenStudy (lena772):

\[\large f'(x) = \lim \limits_{x \to a} \frac{(x- a)^3 + (x-a)^2}{x-a}\]

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

no, you're mixing both the definitions. i shouldnt have shown u the 2nd definition :o

OpenStudy (lena772):

Sorry :'(

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

\(\large f'(x) = \lim \limits_{x \to a} \frac{f(x) - f(a)}{x-a}\) \(\large f'(x) = \lim \limits_{x \to a} \frac{(x^3+x^2) - (a^3+a^2)}{x-a}\)

OpenStudy (lena772):

that's it?

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

no, you need to take the limit and find the derivative still

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

to take the limit, you need to put x = a

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

if u put x = a, wat happens to the bottom expression ?

OpenStudy (lena772):

0

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

bottom u have \(x-a\) if u put x = a, bottom becomes \(a-a = 0\)

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

Yes ! So bottom becomes the nice number \(0\) which is illegal in math

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

it is illegal to have \(0\) in the denominator in math ok

OpenStudy (lena772):

call da cops

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

lol not yet, this is a friendly funciton... we dont call cops when friends act tough ;)

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

so we need to mess wid the numerator, and see if we can cancel out denominator somehow

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

let me show u the complete solution once, then it wil make more sense to you

OpenStudy (lena772):

ok

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

\(\large f'(x) = \lim \limits_{x \to a} \frac{f(x) - f(a)}{x-a}\) \(\large f'(x) = \lim \limits_{x \to a} \frac{(x^3+x^2) - (a^3+a^2)}{x-a}\) \(\large f'(x) = \lim \limits_{x \to a} \frac{x^3+x^2 - a^3-a^2}{x-a}\) \(\large f'(x) = \lim \limits_{x \to a} \frac{x^3-a^3 + x^2-a^2}{x-a}\) \(\large f'(x) = \lim \limits_{x \to a} \frac{(x^3-a^3) + (x^2-a^2)}{x-a}\)

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

you should be okays so far ?

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

next, you need to pull two identities :- \(a^3-b^3 = (a-b)(a^2+ab+b^2)\) \(a^2-b^2= (a+b)(a-b)\)

OpenStudy (lena772):

YES

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

seen them before ?

OpenStudy (lena772):

NO

OpenStudy (lena772):

wait it's like factoring cube and square roots in algebra

OpenStudy (lena772):

right?

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

yes, they're the identities/formulas. you should be like memorizing these.... so that u can use these at will

OpenStudy (lena772):

ok

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

\(\large f'(x) = \lim \limits_{x \to a} \frac{f(x) - f(a)}{x-a}\) \(\large f'(x) = \lim \limits_{x \to a} \frac{(x^3+x^2) - (a^3+a^2)}{x-a}\) \(\large f'(x) = \lim \limits_{x \to a} \frac{x^3+x^2 - a^3-a^2}{x-a}\) \(\large f'(x) = \lim \limits_{x \to a} \frac{x^3-a^3 + x^2-a^2}{x-a}\) \(\large f'(x) = \lim \limits_{x \to a} \frac{(x^3-a^3) + (x^2-a^2)}{x-a}\) plug the identities... \(\large f'(x) = \lim \limits_{x \to a} \frac{(x-a)(x^2+ax+a^2) + (x-a)(x+a)}{x-a}\)

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

you should be excited nw seeing (x-a) s on the numerators also... we're going to cancel denominator wid them !

OpenStudy (lena772):

In the third step why do u put a^3-a^2, and in step 2 it is +

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

\(\large x^3+x^2 - a^3-a^2 \) ive just rearranged the terms cubes separately, squares separately...

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

so that we can apply the known identities

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

\(\color{Red}{x^3}+x^2 \color{red}{-a^3}-a^2\)

OpenStudy (lena772):

OMG sorry lol

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

np :) good to make sure u *get* it

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

let me knw once u digest above steps... :)

OpenStudy (lena772):

digested. So when I cancel x-a from the denominator do I cancel both x-a numerators or just one?

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

\(\large f'(x) = \lim \limits_{x \to a} \frac{f(x) – f(a)}{x-a} \) \(\large f'(x) = \lim \limits_{x \to a} \frac{(x^3+x^2) – (a^3+a^2)}{x-a}\) \(\large f'(x) = \lim \limits_{x \to a} \frac{x^3+x^2 – a^3-a^2}{x-a}\) \(\large f'(x) = \lim \limits_{x \to a} \frac{x^3-a^3 + x^2-a^2}{x-a}\) \(\large f'(x) = \lim \limits_{x \to a} \frac{(x^3-a^3) + (x^2-a^2)}{x-a}\) plug the identities... \(\large f'(x) = \lim \limits_{x \to a} \frac{(x-a)(x^2+ax+a^2) \color{red}{+} (x-a)(x+a)}{x-a}\) \(\large f'(x) = \lim \limits_{x \to a} \frac{(x-a)(x^2+ax+a^2)}{x-a} \color{red}{+} \frac{(x-a)(x+a)}{x-a}\)

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

So... ? both are getting cancelled out eh ?

OpenStudy (lena772):

yes

OpenStudy (lena772):

\[f(x)=\lim_{x \rightarrow a}(x^2+ax+a^2)(x+a)\]

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

\(\large f'(x) = \lim \limits_{x \to a} \frac{f(x) – f(a)}{x-a} \) \(\large f'(x) = \lim \limits_{x \to a} \frac{(x^3+x^2) – (a^3+a^2)}{x-a}\) \(\large f'(x) = \lim \limits_{x \to a} \frac{x^3+x^2 – a^3-a^2}{x-a}\) \(\large f'(x) = \lim \limits_{x \to a} \frac{x^3-a^3 + x^2-a^2}{x-a}\) \(\large f'(x) = \lim \limits_{x \to a} \frac{(x^3-a^3) + (x^2-a^2)}{x-a}\) plug the identities... \(\large f'(x) = \lim \limits_{x \to a} \frac{(x-a)(x^2+ax+a^2) \color{red}{+} (x-a)(x+a)}{x-a}\) \(\large f'(x) = \lim \limits_{x \to a} \frac{(x-a)(x^2+ax+a^2)}{x-a} \color{red}{+} \frac{(x-a)(x+a)}{x-a}\) \(\large f'(x) = \lim \limits_{x \to a} ~~~ x^2+ax+a^2\color{red}{+} x+a\)

OpenStudy (lena772):

:(

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

its a + sign between them ok

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

its ok :) you're doing it first time... and you're doing great ok

OpenStudy (lena772):

ok so if there any more simplifying to do

OpenStudy (lena772):

is*

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

now that denominator is gone, simply put x = a

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

\(\large f'(x) = \lim \limits_{x \to a} \frac{f(x) – f(a)}{x-a} \) \(\large f'(x) = \lim \limits_{x \to a} \frac{(x^3+x^2) – (a^3+a^2)}{x-a}\) \(\large f'(x) = \lim \limits_{x \to a} \frac{x^3+x^2 – a^3-a^2}{x-a}\) \(\large f'(x) = \lim \limits_{x \to a} \frac{x^3-a^3 + x^2-a^2}{x-a}\) \(\large f'(x) = \lim \limits_{x \to a} \frac{(x^3-a^3) + (x^2-a^2)}{x-a}\) plug the identities... \(\large f'(x) = \lim \limits_{x \to a} \frac{(x-a)(x^2+ax+a^2) \color{red}{+} (x-a)(x+a)}{x-a}\) \(\large f'(x) = \lim \limits_{x \to a} \frac{(x-a)(x^2+ax+a^2)}{x-a} \color{red}{+} \frac{(x-a)(x+a)}{x-a}\) \(\large f'(x) = \lim \limits_{x \to a} ~~~ x^2+ax+a^2\color{red}{+} x+a\) \(\large f'(x) = a^2+a*a+a^2\color{red}{+} a+a\)

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

simpify, we're done.

OpenStudy (lena772):

\[\large f'(x) = \lim \limits_{x \to a} ~~~ a^2+2a+a^2\color{red}{+} a+a\]

OpenStudy (lena772):

\[2a^2+4a\]

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

hey one imp thing, after pluggin in x = a, you MUST NOT show lim x->a

OpenStudy (lena772):

Sorry!

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

\(\large f'(x) = \lim \limits_{x \to a} \frac{f(x) – f(a)}{x-a} \) \(\large f'(x) = \lim \limits_{x \to a} \frac{(x^3+x^2) – (a^3+a^2)}{x-a}\) \(\large f'(x) = \lim \limits_{x \to a} \frac{(x^3+x^2) – (a^3+a^2)}{x-a}\) \(\large f'(x) = \lim \limits_{x \to a} \frac{x^3+x^2 – a^3-a^2}{x-a}\) \(\large f'(x) = \lim \limits_{x \to a} \frac{x^3-a^3 + x^2-a^2}{x-a}\) \(\large f'(x) = \lim \limits_{x \to a} \frac{(x^3-a^3) + (x^2-a^2)}{x-a}\) plug the identities... \(\large f'(x) = \lim \limits_{x \to a} \frac{(x-a)(x^2+ax+a^2) \color{red}{+} (x-a)(x+a)}{x-a}\) \(\large f'(x) = \lim \limits_{x \to a} \frac{(x-a)(x^2+ax+a^2)}{x-a} \color{red}{+} \frac{(x-a)(x+a)}{x-a}\) \(\large f'(x) = \lim \limits_{x \to a} ~~~ x^2+ax+a^2\color{red}{+} x+a\) \(\large f'(x) = a^2+a*a+a^2\color{red}{+} a+a\) \(\large f'(x) = a^2+a^2+a^2\color{red}{+} a+a\) \(\large f'(x) = 3a^2\color{red}{+} 2a\) \(\large f'(x) = 3x^2\color{red}{+} 2x\)

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

the derivative of x^3 + x^2 is 3x^2+2x

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

see if that makes some sense

OpenStudy (lena772):

how?

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

how for what

OpenStudy (lena772):

how can i check the answer

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

oh sorry this time we cannot check the answer... as the given function is not a simple line...

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

for line, derivative is the slope of line... but for other functions, its not possible to generalize derivative like that

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