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OpenStudy (anonymous):

I really don't know what I am doing so if anyone can answer this question and show their work I would greatly appreciate it. Find the derivative of f(x) = 8 divided by x at x = -1

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

you knw the derivative of \(x^n\) ?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

no

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

okay, you want to find it using limits then ?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

im pretty sure that that is what i am supposed to do in this lesson

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

good :)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

i am taking an online course and reading the textbook isnt helping me at all

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

\(\large f'(a) = \lim \limits_{x \to a} \frac{f(x) - f(a)}{x - a}\) seen this derivative definition before right ?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

i haven't seen that before

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

\(\large f'(x) = \lim \limits_{h \to 0} \frac{f(x+h) - f(x)}{h}\) wat about this one ?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

that one I have seen before, I answered a question using it earlier but for some reason I just haven't been able to apply it to the equation

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

lets see

OpenStudy (anonymous):

but even then, that is still not in the lesson that corresponds to the activity that i am doing

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

\(\large f'(x) = \lim \limits_{h \to 0} \frac{f(x+h) - f(x)}{h}\) \(\large f'(x) = \lim \limits_{h \to 0} \frac{\frac{8}{x+h} - \frac{8}{x}}{h}\)

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

ive just plugged in f(x+h) and f(x) values above, fine so far ?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yeah

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

lets get rid of fractions in the numerator, by multiplying top and bottom wid x(x+h)

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

\(\large f'(x) = \lim \limits_{h \to 0} \frac{f(x+h) - f(x)}{h}\) \(\large f'(x) = \lim \limits_{h \to 0} \frac{\frac{8}{x+h} - \frac{8}{x}}{h}\) \(\large f'(x) = \lim \limits_{h \to 0} \frac{\color{red}{x(x+h)} (\frac{8}{x+h} - \frac{8}{x})}{\color{red}{x(x+h)}h}\)

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

still fine ? :)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yeah

OpenStudy (anonymous):

thanks for checking ^_^

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

\(\large f'(x) = \lim \limits_{h \to 0} \frac{f(x+h) - f(x)}{h}\) \(\large f'(x) = \lim \limits_{h \to 0} \frac{\frac{8}{x+h} - \frac{8}{x}}{h}\) \(\large f'(x) = \lim \limits_{h \to 0} \frac{\color{red}{x(x+h)} (\frac{8}{x+h} - \frac{8}{x})}{\color{red}{x(x+h)}h}\) \(\large f'(x) = \lim \limits_{h \to 0} \frac{8\color{red}{x} - 8\color{red}{(x+h)}}{\color{red}{x(x+h)}h}\)

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

\(\large f'(x) = \lim \limits_{h \to 0} \frac{f(x+h) - f(x)}{h}\) \(\large f'(x) = \lim \limits_{h \to 0} \frac{\frac{8}{x+h} - \frac{8}{x}}{h}\) \(\large f'(x) = \lim \limits_{h \to 0} \frac{\color{red}{x(x+h)} (\frac{8}{x+h} - \frac{8}{x})}{\color{red}{x(x+h)}h}\) \(\large f'(x) = \lim \limits_{h \to 0} \frac{8\color{red}{x} - 8\color{red}{(x+h)}}{\color{red}{x(x+h)}h}\) \(\large f'(x) = \lim \limits_{h \to 0} \frac{8\color{red}{x} \color{red}{-8x- 8h}}{\color{red}{x(x+h)}h}\)

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

\(\large f'(x) = \lim \limits_{h \to 0} \frac{f(x+h) - f(x)}{h}\) \(\large f'(x) = \lim \limits_{h \to 0} \frac{\frac{8}{x+h} - \frac{8}{x}}{h}\) \(\large f'(x) = \lim \limits_{h \to 0} \frac{\color{red}{x(x+h)} (\frac{8}{x+h} - \frac{8}{x})}{\color{red}{x(x+h)}h}\) \(\large f'(x) = \lim \limits_{h \to 0} \frac{8\color{red}{x} - 8\color{red}{(x+h)}}{\color{red}{x(x+h)}h}\) \(\large f'(x) = \lim \limits_{h \to 0} \frac{ \color{red}{- 8h}}{\color{red}{x(x+h)}h}\)

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

\(\large f'(x) = \lim \limits_{h \to 0} \frac{f(x+h) - f(x)}{h}\) \(\large f'(x) = \lim \limits_{h \to 0} \frac{\frac{8}{x+h} - \frac{8}{x}}{h}\) \(\large f'(x) = \lim \limits_{h \to 0} \frac{\color{red}{x(x+h)} (\frac{8}{x+h} - \frac{8}{x})}{\color{red}{x(x+h)}h}\) \(\large f'(x) = \lim \limits_{h \to 0} \frac{8\color{red}{x} - 8\color{red}{(x+h)}}{\color{red}{x(x+h)}h}\) \(\large f'(x) = \lim \limits_{h \to 0} \frac{ \color{red}{- 8h}}{\color{red}{x(x+h)}h}\) \(\large f'(x) = \lim \limits_{h \to 0} \frac{ \color{red}{- 8}}{\color{red}{x(x+h)}}\) \(\large f'(x) = \frac{ \color{red}{- 8}}{\color{red}{x(x+0)}}\) \(\large f'(x) = \frac{ \color{red}{- 8}}{\color{red}{x^2}}\)

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

we're almost done. let me knw once u digest above

OpenStudy (anonymous):

wait so h=0?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

the person who helped me before had me solve h first and then plug it into the equation

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

nope. you dont solve for h as such, i had a look at ur previous question. he did it exactly the same way we're doing :o

OpenStudy (anonymous):

well then im thoroughly confused then lol

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

in the end you need to plugin h = 0 though

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

its okay lol, these things are confusing when u just start.... u need to do them over and over again... until u get some notion of how these are done :)

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

okay, so we got \(\large f'(x) = \frac{ \color{red}{- 8}}{\color{red}{x^2}}\) just plug x = -1 to find \(f'(-1)\)

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

\(\large f'(x) = \frac{ \color{red}{- 8}}{\color{red}{x^2}}\) \(\large f'(-1) = \frac{ \color{red}{- 8}}{\color{red}{(-1)^2}}\) \(\large = \color{Red}{- 8} \)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

okay. i am going to try a similar problem, would you mind sticking around and making sure i do it right?

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

sure :)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

im going to work step by step like you did so its easy to fix any errors

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

okay :) btw if u watch this video, u wil change ur opinion about monkeys i believe :o http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qqdovHOgvU

OpenStudy (anonymous):

so the new question is Find the derivative of f(x) = -11/x at x = 9.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

ill watch the video after i conquer this

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

yup watch it when you're free

OpenStudy (anonymous):

(f(x+h)-f(x))/h (f(-11/(x+h)-f(-11/x))/h

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

holdup

OpenStudy (anonymous):

k

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

(f(x+h)-f(x))/h ( -11/(x+h)- (-11/x) )/h

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

now that correct above, you need not show f() in second step ok

OpenStudy (anonymous):

ok

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

keep going

OpenStudy (anonymous):

so then you need to get rid of the denominator so you multiply by it x(x+h)*( -11/(x+h)- (-11/x) )/h*x(x+h) -11x+11(x+h)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

*(11x+11(x+h))/hx(x+h)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

forgot to write the denominator

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

looks good, continue

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

wait a sec

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

*(\(\color{red}{-}\)11x+11(x+h))/hx(x+h)

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

you missed that -

OpenStudy (anonymous):

my bad

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

simplify numerator, and cancel things u can :)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

so then it becomes 11h/hx(x+h) 11/x(x+h)

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

yup ! now u can take the limit. plugin h = 0

OpenStudy (anonymous):

11/(9)^2 11/81

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yay

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

\(\large \color{red}{\checkmark}\)

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

good work !!

OpenStudy (anonymous):

is it okay if i do 1 more but instead of doing 1 step at a time u just check it after?

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

sure, go ahead

OpenStudy (anonymous):

<3

OpenStudy (anonymous):

this is what i have so far

OpenStudy (anonymous):

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

you flipped the sign, \(\color{red}{-}\)12(x+h)^2 in ur second step

OpenStudy (anonymous):

crap

OpenStudy (anonymous):

give me a sec ill fix it

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

:) once u correct, u can get rid of h in the denominator

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

okie

OpenStudy (anonymous):

it leaves me with an h still i dont have to get rid of it completely right?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

yes, we just need to get rid of it in the bottom as setting h = 0, makes it 0 in the bottom... which is illegal in math

OpenStudy (anonymous):

so then i make h=0 after and make x=6 right?

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

u flipped sign again for 9h

OpenStudy (anonymous):

fak

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

the mistake is on second line from bottom left side..

OpenStudy (anonymous):

i see it

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

good :)

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

in the end, you should get -3(8x+4h-3)

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

after that plugin, h = 0

OpenStudy (anonymous):

in the end i got -120

OpenStudy (anonymous):

but i know im wrong because it is not one of the answer choices

OpenStudy (anonymous):

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

whats -3(45) ?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

derp

OpenStudy (anonymous):

-135

OpenStudy (anonymous):

which is an answer choice

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I cant say anything but thank you

OpenStudy (anonymous):

i would've been completely lost without your help

OpenStudy (anonymous):

i need to go to bed so that i stop making a bunch of silly mistakes :)

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

im sure you deserve some good sleep after so much hard work. sleep tight ! have horrible calculus dreams lol :)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

lol thanks again

OpenStudy (anonymous):

and have a good night.

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