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OpenStudy (christos):

Linear algebra, Can you please help me solve this ? https://www.dropbox.com/s/am92go4cs84z3rd/Screenshot%202013-11-15%2022.53.41.jpg

OpenStudy (amistre64):

plug in a dummy matrix for B and work the 2 operations AB and BA; then equate the elements to solve the dummy variables

OpenStudy (christos):

"dummy" as in ?can you please show me what you mean ? :(

OpenStudy (amistre64):

a c b d a+2b c+2d 0+ b 0+d a 2a+c b 2b+d a = a+2b b = b c+2d = 2a+c d = 2b+d

OpenStudy (amistre64):

since yo have no idea what B needs to be, fill it with variables ... dummy variables is just another way of saying it

OpenStudy (christos):

so thats AB a+2b c+2d 0+ b 0+d

OpenStudy (christos):

and thats BA a 2a+c b 2b+d

OpenStudy (amistre64):

yes, then equate them part for part

OpenStudy (christos):

whats this a = a+2b b = b

OpenStudy (amistre64):

if AB = BA .. then the elements have to be the same

OpenStudy (amistre64):

ab11 = ba11 ab12 = ba12 ab21 = ba 21 ab22 = ba22

OpenStudy (christos):

so a = d and c = 0

OpenStudy (christos):

and then what ?

OpenStudy (amistre64):

a = a+2b; b=0, a=a b = b c+2d = 2a+c d = 2b+d d=d c+2d = 2a+c; c any value d=a B = a c 0 a for any real value a and c

OpenStudy (christos):

can you please tell me how did you came up with this B = a c 0 a

OpenStudy (christos):

whats the first step ?

OpenStudy (amistre64):

i worked it all out already ....

OpenStudy (amistre64):

a = a+2b; only if b=0 b = 0 c+2d = 2a+c ; subtract c to see that d = a d = a

OpenStudy (amistre64):

if a=1, c not equal 0 to conform to the rules and if a=c=0 is not allowed either, but other than that ...

OpenStudy (christos):

ok please tell mw why this equation a = a+2b

OpenStudy (christos):

from where is this equation ?

OpenStudy (amistre64):

form equating AB with BA of course

OpenStudy (amistre64):

*from

OpenStudy (christos):

ok

OpenStudy (christos):

so which elements are we equating here ?

OpenStudy (amistre64):

i already went over this above .... \[AB=\begin{pmatrix}ab_{11}&ab_{12}\\ab_{21}&ab_{22}\end{pmatrix}\] \[BA=\begin{pmatrix}ba_{11}&ba_{12}\\ba_{21}&ba_{22}\end{pmatrix}\] if AB = BA, then they have to have the same parts .....\[ab_{11}=ba_{11}\\ab_{12}=ba_{12}\\ab_{21}=ba_{21}\\ab_{22}=ba_{22}\]

OpenStudy (christos):

ok but the thing that confuses me is that no A nor B has this as a one of it's parts: "a+2b"

OpenStudy (amistre64):

of course it does ... let B = a c and work the operations AB and BA b d

OpenStudy (amistre64):

then we are not using the same B setup ... you placed the dummy variables in a different way so naturally your setup will "look" different :)

OpenStudy (christos):

oh wait wait -_-

OpenStudy (christos):

super confused now :D

OpenStudy (christos):

sec

OpenStudy (anonymous):

from yours, I can say AB = BA --> \(B^{-1}AB = B^{-1}BA\) or \(B^{-1}AB = A . that means you have to find out diagonalized matrix of A.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

but eigenvalues is 0 double roots and it gives out a Jordan one, which is \(B= \left[\begin{matrix}0&1\\0&0\end{matrix}\right]\), let check, you have AB =BA

OpenStudy (christos):

neeeverrmind I got it all sorted out luckily, I understand whats going on now , thanks a lot ! = )

OpenStudy (christos):

for me its c = 0 and a = d

OpenStudy (christos):

but same thing

OpenStudy (amistre64):

yeah; we should both end up with:\[B=\begin{pmatrix}R_a&R_b\\0&R_a\end{pmatrix}\]

OpenStudy (amistre64):

R is a real number in this case ...

OpenStudy (christos):

yep I got 0 in the exact same spot

OpenStudy (amistre64):

since there are countless real numbers; the solution set is infinite

OpenStudy (christos):

so I can put ANY combination of numbers in a b d

OpenStudy (amistre64):

no, the instructions say that we avoid all zeros, and identitiy

OpenStudy (amistre64):

if Ra = Rb = 0 its against the rules if Ra = 1 and Rb = 0 its against the rules otherwise its fair game

OpenStudy (amistre64):

in other words, they wanted the nontrivial solutions

OpenStudy (christos):

I see! ty !

OpenStudy (amistre64):

youre welcome

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