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OpenStudy (osanseviero):

How to demostrate this? (complex numbers)

OpenStudy (osanseviero):

z=x+iy \[\left| x \right|+\left| y \right|\le \sqrt{2}\left| z \right|\]

OpenStudy (osanseviero):

I've can't find how to do this

hartnn (hartnn):

the |...| sign on both sides means magnitude, right ? so, |z| = \(\sqrt{x^2+y^2}\) and |x| = x, |y| = y because they are real numbers

OpenStudy (osanseviero):

yep

hartnn (hartnn):

so we just need x+y < = sqrt 2 sqrt (x^2+y^2)

hartnn (hartnn):

that is \(\sqrt {x^2+y^2} \le \sqrt {2x^2+2y^2}\) or we need to prove x^2+y^2 <= 2x^2 +2y^2

hartnn (hartnn):

got this ?

hartnn (hartnn):

no, wait

OpenStudy (osanseviero):

I think I got it

hartnn (hartnn):

\(\sqrt {x^2+2xy + y^2} \le \sqrt {2x^2+2y^2}\)

hartnn (hartnn):

that ^

hartnn (hartnn):

which is easy to prove..... you got it this way only ?

OpenStudy (osanseviero):

Well...with drawings

OpenStudy (osanseviero):

Why is the left side that?

hartnn (hartnn):

the |x| + |y| ??? magnitude of real numbers is itself... |x| = x , |y| = y x+y = \(\sqrt {(x+y)^2}\) ....

OpenStudy (osanseviero):

oh right

OpenStudy (osanseviero):

One last question...how can I find a solution to this? \[\left( z+1 \right)^{2}=3+4i\]

hartnn (hartnn):

expand left side first take z = x+ iy so, [(x+1) + iy]^2 expand this then compare the real and imaginary parts

hartnn (hartnn):

you get something like (x+1)^2+ y^2 = 3 2(x+1)y = 4

hartnn (hartnn):

2 equations 2 unknowns, see if you can solve it.....doesn't seem easy

OpenStudy (osanseviero):

negative :)

OpenStudy (osanseviero):

-y^2 in first one, right?

hartnn (hartnn):

ya, right, -y^2

OpenStudy (osanseviero):

okk...let's try the system

hartnn (hartnn):

y =2/ (x+1) put this in 1st equation...

OpenStudy (osanseviero):

I got x3+3x2=4...is it correct until there?

OpenStudy (osanseviero):

Nope, just found a mistake

OpenStudy (osanseviero):

:/

hartnn (hartnn):

that was because i used +y^2 again :P anyways, i get integer solutions now one solution we can easily guess by trying x=1

OpenStudy (osanseviero):

How did you get that?

hartnn (hartnn):

i'll tell u, just tell me what equation u got in x ?

OpenStudy (osanseviero):

What I did was x2(x+1)+2x(z+1)-2=2x+2

OpenStudy (osanseviero):

and then tried to solve for that

hartnn (hartnn):

how u got that equation ?

hartnn (hartnn):

maybe go step by step from starting....so that i can identify whether u made any error or not..

OpenStudy (osanseviero):

I got that (x+1)^2-y2=3

OpenStudy (osanseviero):

I plug in y=2/(x+1)

hartnn (hartnn):

oh, so u didn't square y ...

hartnn (hartnn):

y^2 = 4/ (x+1)^2 plug this in

hartnn (hartnn):

(x+1)^2 + 4/ (x+1)^2 = 3

hartnn (hartnn):

maybe to simplify things, you can assume (x+1)^2 = a first and get a quadratic in a

hartnn (hartnn):

a+4/a =3

OpenStudy (osanseviero):

why did you plug in that?

hartnn (hartnn):

why did i plug in a ?

OpenStudy (osanseviero):

It is 2(x+1)y=4 at the start?

hartnn (hartnn):

yeah, so ?

OpenStudy (osanseviero):

oh...I think I get it now

hartnn (hartnn):

good, try to solve further i took 'a' bcoz, if i would have worked with x , i would have got x^4 +... = 0 which is not easy to solve so i took (x+1)^2 =a find a, then resubstitute it by (x+1)^2 then find x

OpenStudy (osanseviero):

ok, I will do it :) thanks

hartnn (hartnn):

tag me if you get stuck or if u want to verify your final answer...

OpenStudy (osanseviero):

sure :)

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